Decorated Combat Veteran Arrested In New York...AR Magazines BEFORE the NY "law"

[BjornF16]

Nanny state...

[Nukes]

Police state.

[BjornF16]

It is sad that in this country people are loosing sight of this and keeping a blind eye to the one group of peoples crimes while holding a microscope to the other group of people," much to their own destruction".

Nanny State...people look to the government to protect them, not themselves thus allowing the following:

A person shot an innocent woman in the face with a scoped, high powered rifle while she was holding an infant and was promoted in his job position , another person loaned an AR-15 to a friend and the rifle slam fired because the disconnect wasn't properly fitted at the factory and he was sent to jail for a long time. The difference is the murderer worked for the government. Justice is not equal in this country and I could write about it all day with examples.

Police state

A police state doesn't just show up one day. There are enablers. In our case, we have become a nanny state. More and more Americans are expecting the "state" to take care of their every need. This leads (or has led) government to put forth the idea that they are there to provide basic protection and there is no need for a gun other than "sporting" interests.

We aren't a complete police state. While there are some examples that lend credence that we are in beginning phases of becoming such a state, you need to live overseas and see what a TRUE police state looks/feels like.

[montana]

Nanny State...people look to the government to protect them, not themselves thus allowing the following:


Police state

A police state doesn't just show up one day. There are enablers. In our case, we have become a nanny state. More and more Americans are expecting the "state" to take care of their every need. This leads (or has led) government to put forth the idea that they are there to provide basic protection and there is no need for a gun other than "sporting" interests.

We aren't a complete police state. While there are some examples that lend credence that we are in beginning phases of becoming such a state, you need to live overseas and see what a TRUE police state looks/feels like.

Well stated.

[Variable]

So, maybe we can list the firearms common to the military and you can tell us which ones should be allowed for the public given current laws,and which shouldn't be allowed. I did not include the firearms that are already legal without a Class III such as the M-9, M-24, M-40, M-110, Barrett.

M-4 W/ 3 round burst.

M-4 with automatic capability.

M-240 with variants.

SAW with variants.

All of the above are allowed for the public given a Class III. None without a Class III. So, which of these should be allowed given a simple police check? Or, should the licensing requirements for automatic weapons be dropped and they be allowed for open sale to the public?

LR1955

Incorrect. No licensing is required at all. Ownership (not a dealers license for those engaged in the business of transfering for profit) of NFA regulated firearms only requires paying the $200 registration fee, after submitting the paperwork.


Which ones on your list above should be allowed? All of them. Period. Bill covered it pretty well already in his excellent post. The Second Amendment isn't about what any of us "thinks" someone "needs".

If I were a crazed killer, I could kill far more people with 5 gallons of gasoline and a Bic lighter than I could with my Shrike.


The fundamental flaw in all of this Governmental garbage starts with people looking for the .gov to guarantee their outcomes.
They flat out can't do that, but they can come close in guaranteeing one thing---- The more power to control our lives that is ceded to them, the more they will certainly control the lives of the law abiding to negative ends.

For the other folks in this thread who may be confused about NFA items: All NFA items are still legal to own, and all NFA items except "machine guns" are still legal to manufacture for "civilian" sale. This includes cannons, grenades, suppressors, short barreled shotguns/rifles, etc., etc., etc.... One caveat about Destructive Devices containing more than 1/4 ounce of explosive--- They trip you up with "magazine" requirements and licensing for storage of explosives. A binary explosive grenade is being floated up the process chain as we speak. I may register a bunch of them if it flies. Why? Because I damn well can, and if it doesn't pick your pocket or break your leg--- it's really no else's damn business.

The ban on manufacture for civilian sale of machine guns post '86 is via a bullshit stunt they pulled via tax law. You have to pay a "tax" to make it legal, and BATFE will not accept the form and payment to issue the stamp.

It's prosecutable to make/sell/possess untaxed NFA arms outside of the government sphere.....

An example of not paying the NFA tax: Over the princely sum of $400 dollars in "tax evasion", Vickie Weaver received a .30 caliber projectile through the face while holding her ten month old baby in her arms.

[Nukes]

And HS Precision used the murderer of Vicki (and later Davidians) to hawk their products.

[BjornF16]

And HS Precision used the murderer of Vicki (and later Davidians) to hawk their products.

Disgusting. Do they still? I won't buy their products if that is the case.

[Nukes]

HS Precision was inundated by criticism and so they issued a lame and vague apology that they didn't mean to be controversial and they would remove endorsements from their following year's (2009) catalogue. To hell with HS; I bought McMillan.

[LRRPF52]

When the cartels come through your neighborhoods, you're going to want more than a .224-bore service-style carbine fed by 30rd mags, that I can assure you.

Of course, you're going to want more than that when the store shelves go empty, and you realize you and your family are about to starve.

I've seen what people are willing to do for food, when in competition with others for it. Heck, I've seen what it made me do as I was helping my brothers prepare it, and I was highly-disciplined, among tight-knit friendlies armed with M4A1's, M203's, Para-SAW's, and M240's.

This is a time, more than ever, when we need to stick together. Nobody will make it alone. The logistics don't support it, no matter how you try to slice it.

[montana]

When the cartels come through your neighborhoods, you're going to want more than a .224-bore service-style carbine fed by 30rd mags, that I can assure you.

Of course, you're going to want more than that when the store shelves go empty, and you realize you and your family are about to starve.

I've seen what people are willing to do for food, when in competition with others for it. Heck, I've seen what it made me do as I was helping my brothers prepare it, and I was highly-disciplined, among tight-knit friendlies armed with M4A1's, M203's, Para-SAW's, and M240's.

This is a time, more than ever, when we need to stick together. Nobody will make it alone. The logistics don't support it, no matter how you try to slice it.

+1

[Nukes]

Truly. Logistics and necessary skill sets outstrip families' needs even faster than they do a mountain man in his lean-to.

[BjornF16]

When the cartels come through your neighborhoods, you're going to want more than a .224-bore service-style carbine fed by 30rd mags, that I can assure you.

Of course, you're going to want more than that when the store shelves go empty, and you realize you and your family are about to starve.

I've seen what people are willing to do for food, when in competition with others for it. Heck, I've seen what it made me do as I was helping my brothers prepare it, and I was highly-disciplined, among tight-knit friendlies armed with M4A1's, M203's, Para-SAW's, and M240's.

This is a time, more than ever, when we need to stick together. Nobody will make it alone. The logistics don't support it, no matter how you try to slice it.

I really don't have a problem with having the SAWs and M240's...I agree with Variable that the 1986 FOPA prohibition on machine guns is BS and should be challenged/thrown out/repealed.

My primary point is there shouldn't be any tax stamp required for those items "in common use"...and I'm not opposed to tossing out the entire NFA. The Supreme Court said that those firearms not "in common use" COULD be regulated...not that they have to be regulated.

I live on 2.5 acres. Not enough to be self sufficient. About to start raising some critters as well. The challenge could become defending our resources from raiders and/or "neighbors". But there are a large number of 25+ acre areas around us, so we wouldn't be the primary target.