Kikn Wrote:I guess the fourth amendment is trashed too. Illegal search and seizure anyone. I hope he can get off on these charges and expose the left for their idiotic policies.

When will people start to realize that every law created by man by definition it's a restriction if freedom.

Nukes Wrote:That timing is what made the claim of his arrest remarkable.

LR1955 Wrote:Nukes:

You posted this scam. Why didn't you check it out first?

LR1955

cory Wrote:Dude Chill! There's no reason to attack each other here, we're in this together.

BjornF16 Wrote:Sounds like an opportunity to have the law tossed as unconstitutional. 30 round magazines seem to be "in common use" currently in the military.

LR1955 Wrote:Cory:

It may not be a total scam. Apparently he was arrested for violating a previous law about magazines over ten rounds but not the current law. The guy violated a law that had been in place since 1994.

I edited my comment about it being a lick on him. Instead, it just wasn't his day if he got pulled over at a random search. Unless he got busted for something else and they found the mags.

Here is the point. Until these laws are eliminated (and in NYC they won't be), it is best to go around the damn place.

LR1955

LR1955 Wrote:Bjorn:

Not all things in common use by the military need to be common place for civilians. I am sure that the guy who is holding that kid in his prepper bunker probably didn't need access to things like AT weapons, grenades, claymores, et. al.

As for this fellow we are talking about. Apparently he is not in jail anymore but will have a hearing this month. My bet is he will get a fine at most. Unless he got busted for something else and they found the mags in a search.

LR55

LR1955

Quote: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/01/alabama-standoff-enters-third-day-as-official-says-child-held-hostage-in-bunker/

Dykes was known around the neighborhood as a menacing figure who neighbors said once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children for setting foot on his property and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and a firearm.

Dykes had been scheduled to appear in court Wednesday to answer charges he shot at his neighbors in a dispute last month over a speed bump. Neighbor Claudia Davis said he yelled and fired shots at her, her son and her baby grandson over damage Dykes claimed their pickup truck did to a makeshift speed bump in the dirt road. No one was hurt.

cory Wrote:Brother, I don't care about that guy.

You probably don't realize it and I'm sure you don't mean to, but you come off as attacking people who you don't agree with.

I thoroughly enjoy being able to have intellectual discussions on the topics this section permits. I enjoy reading all of the intelligent arguments to include yours and nukes. I'd hate for bwaites to feel he needs to shut down this section for the good of the forum.

At this point in time our most powerful weapon is a voice united. Let's not lose one of the best tools we have for that.

BjornF16 Wrote:LR

Last I checked, Supreme Court rulings are the Law of the Land, equal footing with the Constitution.

SCOTUS set forth that "acid test" in U.S. v Miller in 1939. SCOTUS also said there are classes of folks who may legitimately barred from owning/possessing guns.

I'm not really sure how the hell you can equate a murderer and crack pot in AL with a former soldier who merely possessed 30 rd mags. Your "argument" is akin to libtards calling for semi-auto bans. Perhaps we should commission a "Minority Report" intervention program.

I'd like to see the obtuse magazine capacity ban lifted everywhere...and I fully support the ability for law abiding citizens to own those firearms available to light infantry and "in common use", for legal purposes of course. Not every soldier carries AT weapons, claymores, AAA, 500 lb bombs, etc.

Edit: Your comparison to the AL nut job really bothers me. This guy in AL was another crack pot who should have been arrested/adjudicated as not being able to own/possess firearms. There had been numerous complaints against him and IMHO local law enforcement blew it (just like Jared Loughner).

From Fox News:

LR1955 Wrote:Bjorn:

This is funny. Based on Cory telling me I was too confrontational, I tried desperately not to be confrontational with my response to you. Yet you apparently found it highly agitating. This is what happens when someone tries to make their opinion less aggressive.

So, let me revert back to my confrontational form of expressing myself.

How you determined I was comparing the paranoid prepper conspiracy nut job in Alabama with this guy in NY is not only amazing but unfortunately all too common when it comes to debates over the 2d Amendment. Way too emotionally involved and tying the two together is an example.

Also, I doubt we know the full story about the former GI. And, just because a guy is in the service or was, doesn't mean 'doo-doo' when it comes to their character. Having been in the service and working at a WTP doesn't mean a fellow or fellowette is automatically clean.

I could care less how many rounds of ammo a magazine holds. However, I doubt such bans will be found unconstitutional. No matter what you or I think.

LR1955

BjornF16 Wrote:LOL...you've never been in a fighter pilot debrief...no rank, gloves off. Everybody is buds when it is over and head to the bar for drinks.

I made the connection because you used the crackpot as justification that not everything "in common use" should be available. This is the same tactic that libtards use to try to make points...using ridiculous comparisons. Sort of like "are you still beating your wife?"

If you didn't mean/intend to compare Hassad with the crackpot, then why bring it up at all? After all, this is a thread about Hassad being charged with 5 ridiculous felony counts.

Not to worry...just keep being you. I'm accused of being overly direct and abrasive (even though I don't believe that I am)...no anger involved, just the way I approach things.

I in no way believe all military personnel "walk on water" or are innocent...nor do I believe that of my kids. However, given what has been reported in various "blogs", no ammunition or weapons were found in addition to the magazines, and he doesn't appear to be charged with anything else. As to whether he was randomly pulled over in violation of 4A, or had some traffic law infringement remains to be seen.

Regardless, I'd like to see the capacity ban thrown out. I do think there is a chance such bans can be found unconstitutional with the current make-up of SCOTUS...

LR1955 Wrote:Bjorn:

OK -- I was not trying to compare the two individuals as individuals. I was making a statement about limits on what a citizen should be allowed to buy and used the nut job as an example of a bad citizen who probably didn't need access to automatic weapons or explosive devices.

Now that is out of the way -- and simply out of curiosity -- without being too direct, too confrontational, too leftist, too radical right, too conspiratorial, etc, etc.

You said that the average citizen should be able to have the 'firearms' commonly available to the military. 'Firearms' is specific. 'Commonly' and 'military' are too vague.

So, maybe we can list the firearms common to the military and you can tell us which ones should be allowed for the public given current laws,and which shouldn't be allowed. I did not include the firearms that are already legal without a Class III such as the M-9, M-24, M-40, M-110, Barrett.

M-4 W/ 3 round burst.

M-4 with automatic capability.

M-240 with variants.

SAW with variants.

All of the above are allowed for the public given a Class III. None without a Class III. So, which of these should be allowed given a simple police check? Or, should the licensing requirements for automatic weapons be dropped and they be allowed for open sale to the public?

LR1955