BCA vs Group Monster Barrel - Continued

[Hollis]

Just a few thousandths difference in OAL is the difference between 1 ragged hole to having two holes on your target.

I am currently getting, on a fairly consistent basis, 2 groups - a couple of shots in almost the same exact hole, then others an inch away in another tight group, although they are all in my 5 shot group.

This may explain it.

At any rate, I'm enjoying all the info while I get up the learning curve for this.

[pkw6five]

a5blaster - Why on goods green earth would someone who doesn't reload/handload buy this tool to measure the cartridge length to ojive?

Have you ever sold a rifle? Lets say you don't reload and have one that is shooting 2.7 in groups at 200 yds. If you get the same results that I got with the sinclare tool you now have a gun shooting about 1.9 inch groups at 200 yds. Do you think the gun is worth more $ now? 1.9 inch group is sub MOA.

Take some guy that has a hunting rifle that shoots 2 inch groups at 100 yds. He wants to go on a hunt where his shot will be at 300 yds not the 100 yds where he hunts now. Would you be happy shooting a 6 inch group at that range or would a 4.2 inch group make you feel more confident?

[rabiddawg]

Oh brother lmao.

Now you see why I don?t post on this forum anymore?

Folks are just too smart for me to understand and they love to type more than I do.

[sbowhuntr]

Anyone ever pull the bullet on factory ammo and check the charge weight? I have and you would be surprised at the variation in charge, between that and oal is exactly why I reload.

[guitarhillbilly]

I even weigh each bullet from a box before loading them because they can vary as much as 0.8 grains from the same box. I cull them into subgroups to improve the reload. Consistency is the name of the Game in accuracy.
Evidently some folks here don't believe this about OAL also.

[sbowhuntr]

Mass produced factory ammo is very inconsistent, all of it no matter the brand/flavor.

[Sputnik]

Poor Hollis. I feel his thread got hijacked.

[guitarhillbilly]

Poor Hollis. I feel his thread got hijacked.

His posting was about shot groups and these replies deal with improving shot groups which includes the barrel and the ammo.

I do agree that some of the replies including mine would fit better in reloading.

[BluntForceTrauma]

Gents, let's please keep the discussion technical, polite, and please disagree respectfully.

[Sputnik]

Well since he hasn't reloaded bullet one yet; and won't until he receives a press I sent to him. Lets let him crawl first with some favorite recipes, walk with some great powders, and run with some wonderful projectiles. I don't think overwhelming a new reloader with a lot of data, proven or otherwise is good for Hollis. Heck, he may decide; screw reloading and remain with factory ammo and let his clients dick with the particulars. Fore example, if he were to ask for pet reload recipes; I'd say I reload 123 gr Amax and SST exclusively and use 8208XBR at 28.0 gr, Cfe-223 at 30.6 gr and AR Comp at 27.7 g, with the book publishes OAL and let him go from there, and as always suggest he starts below that and work up. I believe his intent is to try to reduce this cost of buying factory ammo for his clients so he can continue to do his unselfish act for others in a task he enjoys. Sorry, out here!

[A5BLASTER]

Gents, let's please keep the discussion technical, polite, and please disagree respectfully.

You correct ofcourse. My opologies to the OP for jacking up the thread and being rude as well.

OP if and when you get to reloading I suggest the 120 gold dot on top 28 grains of ar-comp over a cci450 primer at 2.260 coal length.

[Hollis]

Poor Hollis. I feel his thread got hijacked.

No. I'm enjoying the comments and trying to soak up as much as possible.

[Hollis]

You correct ofcourse. My opologies to the OP for jacking up the thread and being rude as well.

OP if and when you get to reloading I suggest the 120 gold dot on top 28 grains of ar-comp over a cci450 primer at 2.260 coal length.

That doesn't mean much to me right now, but I'm sure it will eventually so I'll take note.

One of the fellow forum members is jump starting me by sending me a RCBS Jr Press he's no longer using to get me going. (Thanks Sputnik!) I'll mount that to my bench, watch a lot of videos and probably come back here when I have questions and/or need advice on what to buy next.

[sbowhuntr]

Johnnys reloading bench on YouTube is a good one to watch. He's in depth and has good reloading practices.

[Sputnik]

That is the kind of information Hollis needs to get introduced to reloading and to see all the little items he should have to make it easier

[Constitutionalist]

BTW

My best loads in a 20" Hanover Armory upper with a Type 1 bolt and chamber:

27.0gr IMR8208XBR, CCI450, Hornady case and 123gr SST, seated just under mag length with a light crimp. 1" groups at 100 yards. 2440 fps a 3' from muzzle. DRT on my first Grendel Deer last November. 150lb doe at 125 yards. Pass-through.


29.5gr Leverevolution, CCI450, Hornady or Starline case and 123gr Nosler Custom Comp, seated just under mag length with no crimp. .75" groups at 100 yards. 2460 fps a 3' from muzzle.

Beware! Handloading is an addiction! And if people tell you you'll save money they aren't being totally honest- you'll save money on a PER ROUND basis- but you'll shoot a lot more! ;-)

Have fun!

John

[Hollis]

I've already started to watch Johnny's Reloading Bench, so thanks!

[FLshooter]

Beware! Handloading is an addiction! And if people tell you you'll save money they aren't being totally honest- you'll save money on a PER ROUND basis- but you'll shoot a lot more! ;-)

Have fun!

John

Ain’t that the truth! Hand loading is a major addiction. You may spend less money per round. But whatever you save you will dump into equipment ,powder ,brass and time. The reason we get into handloading is because it will improve your groups when you find the right load bullet combo for your rifle.

[Bayouhunter1960]

I spent a lot of time on Johnny?s Reloading Bench great info for sure. Another site I initially learned a lot from was Ultimate Reloader I don?t visit that as much as I used to but still check it out occasionally to see what he has new.

[Constitutionalist]

Ain’t that the truth! Hand loading is a major addiction. You may spend less money per round. But whatever you save you will dump into equipment ,powder ,brass and time. The reason we get into handloading is because it will improve your groups when you find the right load bullet combo for your rifle.

In addition- most of my weapons have their "best" load that is for hunting or accuracy, and a "decent" load (defined as accurate as factory ammo) that I can reload cheaply. Lots of these get loaded and put on the shelf.

For example:
My accuracy load in 5.56 ARs is a 68gr Hornady BTHPM with 23.0gr of IMR8208XBR and a CCI-400 or Federal ARM in RP or FC brass. I get 10 shot - 1" or less groups at 100yds $0.40 each including buying once-fired brass.

My volume load is a 55gr Hornady SP with 23.5gr of H335 and a WSR or S&B SR in miscellaneous range brass. $0.21 each with pick-up brass. Add 0.06 if you buy misc. once-fired. They're still around 1.5MOA and plenty potent. And for a quarter a piece you can put a lot away for a rainy day....

Have fun and be safe!