See any holes?

[oldhunter1954]

Well I guess shoot the gun, work up loads, and make your own decision on Liberty barrels. No reason to beat this topic to death again.

If we can ever get out of stay at home mode I plan to do just that. I selected Grendel Hunter.com based on a recommendation from someone that is actively using one to hunt feral hogs.

[sbowhuntr]

I have a liberty 6.5 grendel barrel and it shoots awesome!! No problems with it at all, ever!! In fact I just bought another one, an 18" grendel and I expect the same awesome performance that my other one provides. The past is just that and the issues that were literally 8-10 years ago have been resolved. Satern is a good company and will stand by their barrels.

[OneHitWonder]

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[sbowhuntr]

The guy that killed Randy Weavers wife and baby works for Troy Industries. Are you going to buy Troy?

Absolutely nothing to do with this thread!! Dont you have anything else to do besides trying to start crap on this forum?? Any first hand knowledge about satern/liberty barrels?? Probably not so troll on sir!!

[OneHitWonder]

Absolutely nothing to do with this thread!! Dont you have anything else to do besides trying to start crap on this forum?? Any first hand knowledge about satern/liberty barrels?? Probably not so troll on sir!!

It has everything to do with your post I quoted. Do you have issues with Troy, have you moved on?

Seems you have totally forgotten history and are prepared to reward criminals that walked free for murder. Don’t worry some of us are good Americans that study history and have long memories.

See the relation to Saturn now? Or are you just a Satern employee trolling this forum?

[oldhunter1954]

I believe Randy Weaver was at Ruby Ridge. But I don't have any idea how Troy Industries is related to Satern.

[sbowhuntr]

It has everything to do with your post I quoted. Do you have issues with Troy, have you moved on?

Seems you have totally forgotten history and are prepared to reward criminals that walked free for murder. Don’t worry some of us are good Americans that study history and have long memories.

See the relation to Saturn now? Or are you just a Satern employee trolling this forum?

No issues with troy as i dont own any of their products. And no i dont work for satern and surely not a troll. The sniper in question was under order to shoot and to not do so would have made him a criminal, ironic but true. I guess I am lost on the relationship between troy and satern. There is alot of info on the bashing of satern by 65grendel members on other forums which in turn leads most folks to believe this forum is simply promoting bill alexander and his products, i dont believe that but literally 1000's upon 1000's still do. So please enlighten me on why not to buy satern products.

[sbowhuntr]

I believe Randy Weaver was at Ruby Ridge. But I don't have any idea how Troy Industries is related to Satern.

Just more members starting crap is all it is oldhunter. They are still butthurt about chamers and issues satern had which are long gone now, every company producing products have had issues at one time or another so its nothing new. I have 2 of their barrels and they shoot as good as any other barrel costing 2 times more.

[OneHitWonder]

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[sbowhuntr]

Now I know you are a troll. He shot trough a closed door at an unidentifiable target. Any other fbi coverups you want to make excuses for? Flamethrower at Waco or the Muller Report?

The best reason not to buy Satern is because you recommended it.

Go to HELL asshat!! Go somewhere else and start you b.s. Your a total jackhole!!!!

[OneHitWonder]

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[sbowhuntr]

You got it wrong. I’m an American. You are a troll or ignorant uniformed and brainwashed.

And you must be a radical leftist in troll clothing and seriously brainwashed by the media. I refuse to argue with such a child. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations anymore, start your own thread on here instead of trolling others just to start shit. GO AWAY!!

[Klem]

Metalnephrine,

Cycling back to your original question is there anything 'suboptimal' about your build. I don't have experience with any of those parts so this will be more an overview reply.

Optimal to you will not be optimal to me or others; it depends what you want to do with it. If you want the most accurate gun then barrel, scope and trigger should get all the love and attention and not buy any other parts that will drag the potential of those three main parts down. For accuracy I would also get a fixed rear stock. If money is no option then you tend to get what you pay for and I would make sure all the main frame is as strong as possible; 7075 aluminium for upper, lower, handguard and buffer tube. An AR is as flimsy a receiver as you can get so for accuracy you need to strengthen it as much as possible and the more weight the better.

If practical shooting is your expectation then full ambidextrous parts; charge handle, selector, mag release and slide release would be my preference. Plus a barrel length that is reasonable for being practical while optimising what is already a slow 6.5 calibre; 18-20", no longer and no shorter. For practical shooting a big, long-range bolt gun scope on the gun is out of proportion with the rest of what is a compact AR15, although not as important if practical means shooting animals and not prepping or mil skills. Practical guns also use forward mounted bipods and stick tripods.

If you want the most accurate gun then I agree with A5, drop the bipod for a proper bench rest: a bench tripod and rear bag. Your group sizes will shrink immediately and highlights how the gun and its connection with the ground is a system that is only as good as its weakest link. Where the shooting discipline permits, you won't find any folding bipod shooters winning the prizes. The reason being for ultimate accuracy the gun needs to track smoothly and on the same plane as the target in the recoil. Or, if not this then at least recoil the same way every shot. With a fixed bipod that is physically impossible. This is why F-Class stocks are designed to be parallel to the barrel, both front and back. Also why in some Bench Rest shooting having a gun that does not come off the aim in the recoil is banned (it is too easy).

If your handguard is tubular I would think about how to mitigate the axial recoil for absolute accuracy. The barrel will be right hand twist and the gun will jerk the opposite way on firing. This is why F-Class stocks are 3" wide and flat at the front (not allowed any wider otherwise they would), and weigh 8kg. So they track parallel to the bore, the weight of the gun and barrel absorbs as much recoil as possible. Bipods have a tendency to jump up in the recoil.

Make sure your scope has good repeatability. This means the movable erector reticle mechanism inside is in exactly the same position after each shot. There is a lot of flexing and G-forces on what is a precision instrument with moving parts. There is no specification for repeatability, it is never listed on manufacturer websites. The only way you can realise repeatability is by mounting and shooting, or get a feel by talking to others who use the scope and have experience with other scopes. Then you have to filter out the agendas and brand loyalty. Unfortunately it is not readily discernible when comparing scopes. Yet this is a critical feature of precision and accuracy. My only advice here is to start by not skimping on price and use reputation and country-of-origin as a buying guide (I don't mean nationalistic 'made-in-usa', I mean a county's overall reputation for producing quality glass and precision machinery).

It sounds like a really nice gun. Have you shot a few 3 and 4 rd groups yet?

[OneHitWonder]

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[Klem]

Onehit,

Can you be a little more mature and professional please.

[OneHitWonder]

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[oldhunter1954]

The guy that killed Randy Weavers wife and baby works for Troy Industries. Are you going to buy Troy?

I see that the go to company on here is Precision Firearms. I noticed they are using Troy MLOK Handguards. I guess Mark did not get the message about Ruby Ridge.

[plugneck]

I purchased a Satern/Liberty 18" Grendel barrel a few months ago when they were clearing out the Brownells branded barrels. It is listed as a Grendel II chamber and so far has shot lights out with anything I have fed it. It seemed to be a little over gassed but I switched to an adjustable gas block and took care of that. It shoots an honest moa consistently and for the $125.00 clearance price I couldn't be happier.

[oldhunter1954]

Metalnephrine,

Cycling back to your original question is there anything 'suboptimal' about your build. I don't have experience with any of those parts so this will be more an overview reply.

Optimal to you will not be optimal to me or others; it depends what you want to do with it. If you want the most accurate gun then barrel, scope and trigger should get all the love and attention and not buy any other parts that will drag the potential of those three main parts down. For accuracy I would also get a fixed rear stock. If money is no option then you tend to get what you pay for and I would make sure all the main frame is as strong as possible; 7075 aluminium for upper, lower, handguard and buffer tube. An AR is as flimsy a receiver as you can get so for accuracy you need to strengthen it as much as possible and the more weight the better.

If practical shooting is your expectation then full ambidextrous parts; charge handle, selector, mag release and slide release would be my preference. Plus a barrel length that is reasonable for being practical while optimising what is already a slow 6.5 calibre; 18-20", no longer and no shorter. For practical shooting a big, long-range bolt gun scope on the gun is out of proportion with the rest of what is a compact AR15, although not as important if practical means shooting animals and not prepping or mil skills. Practical guns also use forward mounted bipods and stick tripods.

If you want the most accurate gun then I agree with A5, drop the bipod for a proper bench rest: a bench tripod and rear bag. Your group sizes will shrink immediately and highlights how the gun and its connection with the ground is a system that is only as good as its weakest link. Where the shooting discipline permits, you won't find any folding bipod shooters winning the prizes. The reason being for ultimate accuracy the gun needs to track smoothly and on the same plane as the target in the recoil. Or, if not this then at least recoil the same way every shot. With a fixed bipod that is physically impossible. This is why F-Class stocks are designed to be parallel to the barrel, both front and back. Also why in some Bench Rest shooting having a gun that does not come off the aim in the recoil is banned (it is too easy).

If your handguard is tubular I would think about how to mitigate the axial recoil for absolute accuracy. The barrel will be right hand twist and the gun will jerk the opposite way on firing. This is why F-Class stocks are 3" wide and flat at the front (not allowed any wider otherwise they would), and weigh 8kg. So they track parallel to the bore, the weight of the gun and barrel absorbs as much recoil as possible. Bipods have a tendency to jump up in the recoil.

Make sure your scope has good repeatability. This means the movable erector reticle mechanism inside is in exactly the same position after each shot. There is a lot of flexing and G-forces on what is a precision instrument with moving parts. There is no specification for repeatability, it is never listed on manufacturer websites. The only way you can realise repeatability is by mounting and shooting, or get a feel by talking to others who use the scope and have experience with other scopes. Then you have to filter out the agendas and brand loyalty. Unfortunately it is not readily discernible when comparing scopes. Yet this is a critical feature of precision and accuracy. My only advice here is to start by not skimping on price and use reputation and country-of-origin as a buying guide (I don't mean nationalistic 'made-in-usa', I mean a county's overall reputation for producing quality glass and precision machinery).

It sounds like a really nice gun. Have you shot a few 3 and 4 rd groups yet?

Klem,
Thanks for trying to get this thread back on Topic. If you have time can you share any more info on " An AR is as flimsy a receiver as you can get so for accuracy you need to strengthen it as much as possible and the more weight the better"
Does a Machined Billet upper change this?

[Klem]

Klem,
Thanks for trying to get this thread back on Topic. If you have time can you share any more info on " An AR is as flimsy a receiver as you can get so for accuracy you need to strengthen it as much as possible and the more weight the better"
Does a Machined Billet upper change this?

If it is 7075 aluminum instead of 6065 and thicker in places than Milspec. Same with the scope mount.