08-27-2013, 08:51 PM
NugginFutz Wrote:Ok - probably going to get banned or something for this, but I have been reading for a while and waiting to get registered. One of the things I recently witnessed was a series of dustups regarding this forum.
So, here goes. "How is this a Second Amendment topic?" I know it's relevant to shooting and guns and the like. But how does this pertain to 2A?
Aren't the rules supposed to apply to all?
I'm just sayin'
Relevance Point #1: NFA/2nd Amendment Issue, entrapment, modus operandi of ATF for those of us who think we're law-abiding, when the goal posts are easily moved
The ATF wanted Randy Weaver to be an informant for them, since he was SF in the Army. They had sent in several CI's to the Aryan Nation, all of whom were murdered/disappeared. They suspected that their own Federal agents were part of the Aryan Nation, and wanted intel on who was actually in the group. They had a Confidential Informant who they told to keep pestering Randy Weaver to cut down a shotgun barrel for him, which Randy refused multiple times. Finally, he cut it down to the legal limit of 18", and ATF claims he cut it to 17 3/4" after they "inspected it". Then they arrested him and said it can all go away if he...cooperates in their suicide mission of penetrating the Aryan Nation.
Of course, he wasn't stupid, and refused to participate in ATF buffoonery. They gave him a court date, then changed it without telling him, so they could get him for failure to appear. The ATF then told the US Marshals that Weaver was manufacturing illegal weapons, was a white supremacist, and was also manufacturing methamphetamine-all false statements.
When all was said and done, one US Marshal was killed after getting compromised on an falsely-constructed legal case, a young boy was gunned down with FULL AUTO MP5 fire in the back, the FBI HRT was called in, Vicki Weaver was shot in the head, Randy Weaver was shot in the back, and Harris was shot in the shoulder. Fortunately, after the FBI Hostage Negotiators tormented the family with taunts about their mom, as their son/brother's body decomposed in a nearby shed, Weaver's former Commander intervened to prevent the entire family from being gunned-down or burned alive in their cabin.
One of the FBI Sharpshooter Teams defended their lethal actions by the ROE they were issued, and that ROE was totally flawed. Everyone agrees after the fact that the ROE was flawed, including the HRT Commander, shooters, and especially Congress. What happens? Nobody is punished, but millions are paid out to the Weavers and Harris. Randy Weaver is convicted of failure to appear, and serves a sentence.
Lon Horiuchi, the sharpshooter who killed Vicki Weaver, continued on with a career in FBI SWAT in Florida, and worked for HS Precision after his Federal LEO employment. His partner on that day is now employed by Troy Industries, who have generally been assumed to be pro-2A. Many of us are Troy customers, and I know I personally cannot support a company who employs people with this type of background-a background that is not only openly hostile to the right of free human beings to protect themselves, but one that went above and beyond to murder those that simply wanted to be left alone.
Point #2:
It all starts and ends with 2A issues, and places us in the unique position where, instead of begging our corrupt representatives in Congress to defend the Constitution, we are empowered with our purchasing power to either support or withhold from businesses in the market.
Here we have a prominent 2A-supporter up to this point, who now employs one of the worst violators of the 2A.