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What you guys think about J&T?
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Without compromising quality, here's my formula. Assuming collapsable stock:

Lower $224
  • $74 Daniel Defense LPK (PSA or DSG)
  • $70 MOE stock, mil-spec tube, Carbine buffer, mil-spec spring (DSG stock kit, or as part of $99 carbine kit if building an upper)
  • $80 Surplus arms & ammo aero-precision lower (or your flavor, you can pay more, but it won't be better unless you jump to billet)

Upper is harder, just more options:
  • $90 AA Upper
  • $15 AA A2 Flashhider
  • $280 Forum 16" AA SS barrel/bolt
  • $42 Mil Contract M16 complete bolt carrier (G&R Tactical- the real deal, mfg has GI contract for parts)
  • $20 LMT tactical charger handle (found for same price as generic, much better made)
  • $65 YHM 9835 sight/gas block blem (ebay)
  • $28?? delta ring assembly, handguard cap, gas tube, crush washer (RRA- best value I found, easy to order, better than DPMS/Delton generic)
  • $30 MOE handguard with free grip (DSG, order as carbine kit for $99 with rear stock)
  • $20 LMT SOPMOD clone rear sight (UTG, amazon)

My build using the above is one of my favorites, Shoots great! though I used a sundevil lower initially.

Last lower, I shopped around and found I could get an LMT complete lower with mil-spec everything for $300. For the $75 difference in cost vs the cheapest I could build one with decent parts, I went LMT. And will never go back. And found out that adding a two stage trigger was much cheaper than upgrading triggers later, so went with that as well. But the basic LMT defender lower is a jamming deal in my book, especially if you can buy locally and avoid shipping/xfer fee.

But Daniel defense parts kit is the same cost as J&T or DPMS, it's a no brainer. Same for the MOE M4 stock with mil contract tube/spring/buffer.

The formula puts you right at $820, with excellent quality parts where it matters. SS Barrel, MOE furniture is becoming my fav, and even the cheapie rear sight I prefer over some of the more expensive options. (It's a pretty decent clone of the LMT derived from a cut down A2 handle)

You don't save an awful lot on the upper VS buying one preassembled, but you get SS barrel instead of plain, MOE furniture, and a better gas block. You'll need an armorer's wrench, upper block, torque wrench, so borrow or buy.

You can upgrade from there. Many ways to build a fancier/more expensive grendel! Smile
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What you guys think about J&T? - by Norsk - 05-11-2011, 06:13 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by warped - 05-11-2011, 06:27 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by bwaites - 05-11-2011, 07:04 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by Norsk - 05-11-2011, 07:53 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by longdayjake - 05-12-2011, 01:52 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by LRRPF52 - 05-12-2011, 07:19 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by StoneTower - 05-12-2011, 08:23 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by warped - 05-12-2011, 09:39 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by LRRPF52 - 05-12-2011, 10:41 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by warped - 05-12-2011, 11:23 PM
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What you guys think about J&T? - by C-2-1-7 - 05-15-2011, 03:47 AM
What you guys think about J&T? - by pinzgauer - 05-16-2011, 02:27 AM
What you guys think about J&T? - by Norsk - 05-16-2011, 05:22 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by warped - 05-16-2011, 05:41 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by philmurphy - 05-16-2011, 10:41 PM
What you guys think about J&T? - by MrSurgicalPrecision - 05-17-2011, 02:13 PM
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What you guys think about J&T? - by warped - 05-20-2011, 04:17 AM
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What you guys think about J&T? - by rg1 - 06-05-2011, 01:21 AM
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What you guys think about J&T? - by longdayjake - 06-05-2011, 03:04 PM
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What you guys think about J&T? - by Bill Alexander - 06-18-2011, 01:32 AM
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