11-06-2018, 09:44 PM
Brits couldn't call counter indirect fires because it was a semi-permissive environment. They were shooting off the roof of their CIMIC House, with maybe 90 dudes holed up there in Southern Iraq.
There were elements of the Shia Mahdi Army holding out, launching attacks against them from the city, which was inhabited by its normal residents who wanted nothing to do with the war.
From all my encounters and working with the Brits, they are way ahead of the power curve compared to US units when it comes to understanding the locals, the value they place on reconnaissance, and their sniping community is largely what we based ours off of when standing up peacetime sniper schools.
The USMC, US Army, and SF took most of the templates for sniper courses from the Brits and formed our schools in the late 1970s and 1980s based heavily off of those POIs. Their ammo for the AI rifles was selected from lots of normal NATO ball and had a higher accuracy potential than random M80.
During their campaign in Basra, some SAS guys stopped by with a .50 BMG and let them have at it against the mortar spotters, who had become overly-confident in their ability to stay just outside of the effective range of the 7.62 NATO sniper rifles.
Negotiating the SDZ issue for SOCOM's 6.5CM is an easy fit as it is, since any range meant for transition fire or most of the existing long guns works.
Setting up ranges for every swinging Joe with an EPR-launching death rifle will be a different ballgame. I'm all for pushing the capabilities, but the requirement to defeat Russian body army at 600yds seems like a fool's errand to me if that's the determining factor for the physics of the new rifle. It shows a serious disconnect from reality for whoever conceived that specification.
I think it has more to do with General Milley wanting to make a mark in an era where the USAF, USMC, SOCOM, and USN are getting crazy money for new toys, and the big Army doesn't seem to have a flagship Christmas toy to show off. Hence the ISCR 7.62 NATO Rifle attempt (failed of course), and now this.
There were elements of the Shia Mahdi Army holding out, launching attacks against them from the city, which was inhabited by its normal residents who wanted nothing to do with the war.
From all my encounters and working with the Brits, they are way ahead of the power curve compared to US units when it comes to understanding the locals, the value they place on reconnaissance, and their sniping community is largely what we based ours off of when standing up peacetime sniper schools.
The USMC, US Army, and SF took most of the templates for sniper courses from the Brits and formed our schools in the late 1970s and 1980s based heavily off of those POIs. Their ammo for the AI rifles was selected from lots of normal NATO ball and had a higher accuracy potential than random M80.
During their campaign in Basra, some SAS guys stopped by with a .50 BMG and let them have at it against the mortar spotters, who had become overly-confident in their ability to stay just outside of the effective range of the 7.62 NATO sniper rifles.
Negotiating the SDZ issue for SOCOM's 6.5CM is an easy fit as it is, since any range meant for transition fire or most of the existing long guns works.
Setting up ranges for every swinging Joe with an EPR-launching death rifle will be a different ballgame. I'm all for pushing the capabilities, but the requirement to defeat Russian body army at 600yds seems like a fool's errand to me if that's the determining factor for the physics of the new rifle. It shows a serious disconnect from reality for whoever conceived that specification.
I think it has more to do with General Milley wanting to make a mark in an era where the USAF, USMC, SOCOM, and USN are getting crazy money for new toys, and the big Army doesn't seem to have a flagship Christmas toy to show off. Hence the ISCR 7.62 NATO Rifle attempt (failed of course), and now this.
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CCW, CQM, DM, Long Range Rifle Instructor
6.5 Grendel Reloading Handbooks & chamber brushes can be found here:
www.AR15buildbox.com