Status of the Next Gen Squad Weapon (NGSW)?

[Double Naught Spy]

That money could have been better spent on better triggers and more marksmanship training if they wanted too improve probability of kill per shot taken.

That is never going to happen so long as military thinking is that battles are won by putting more bullets in the air than the other guys. There is definitely some validity to the concept, but it doesn't coincide well with increased kill rates.

[A5BLASTER]

That is never going to happen so long as military thinking is that battles are won by putting more bullets in the air than the other guys. There is definitely some validity to the concept, but it doesn't coincide well with increased kill rates.

Ohhh. That is for sure. The saying "Military Intelligence" comes to mind when I was typing my other response.

[stanc]

That money could have been better spent on better triggers and more marksmanship training if they wanted too improve probability of kill per shot taken.

The Army wanted ability to defeat modern hard body armor at long range. Better triggers and more training won't improve penetration performance.

All this mess about the platform being outdated, is just that hogwash, the platform isn't out dated the ammo and caliber is outdated.

If they really wanted to upgrade, they would speak a bolt made from armet or a bigger bolt/barrel extention and upgrade too a grendel cased caliber and maintain 60k pressure they seem to like.

Do that and they retain their part comparability to most possible with existing weapons and give the war fighter then needed punch at extended ranges.

Upgrading existing small arms via caliber change seems like a non-starter. The only time I know of that the US Army adopted a completely new cartridge expressly to upgrade legacy weapons was 1865, when .58 Rimfire was used to convert a small number of muzzleloaders to breechloading, and even that was a temporary, stop-gap measure that served only briefly. The standard practice whenever a new caliber was adopted, has been to develop and field new rifles and machine guns, too.

[LRRPF52]

Just as with the ACR program of the 1980s, I think we will see ancillary systems and improvements added to the legacy systems.

From ACR, we got the flat top upper from the Colt submission, the stock became the precursor to the LMT SOPMOD M4A1 stock, the Elcan off the Colt became the MGO, and the ACOG off the AAI rifle became the initial SOPMOD rifle optic, and evolved into USMC and US Army rifle optics. Look at what’s common to all the ACR submissions that was not common to any US service rifle prior and then what happened in reality. Optics...



I think a SAW replacement has a better chance of happening in terms of weapons systems, but there will be serious questions about ammunition and the DODIC/logistics structure for that.

If I was looking for a picture of the future, I would focus more closely on what the ancillary system developments have been with NGSW.

What’s right under your nose that is common to all the submissions....

[biodsl]

Suppressors?

[stanc]

FY22 Army budget has $97 million for NGSW: 390 Automatic Rifles; 3,725 Rifles.
Award date expected in November, 2021. First delivery of weapons in May, 2022.

https://www.guns.com/news/2021/06/08/Arm...per-Rifles

[Double Naught Spy]

Suppressors?

What are you asking?

[stanc]

What’s right under your nose that is common to all the submissions....

Suppressors?

While all of the weapons do have suppressors, they do not all have the same make and model suppressor.

The same make/model fire control will be used, regardless of which weapons are adopted.