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Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-23-2012
Ok so I got the bolt issue fixed all is well. The problem I am having now is the bolt will not cycle back and lock. I adjusted the gas block and nothing happens. I did manage to get it to work one time the bolt locked back so I filled the mag and nothing it will eject the round sometimes and others it just hangs and is sticking out sideways.
24" bull barrel BHW
AA LOWER
VLTOR UPPER
M16 carrier
Grendel bolt
JP adjustable gas block
Need help with not cycling - montana - 10-23-2012
Check your carrier key bolts and make sure their not loose. Check your gas block and make sure it's over the gas port correctly and not loose or misaligned. It sounds like your not getting enough gas.
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-23-2012
Man I have checked and re checked and checked again. I fix one problem and know I can't get it to cycle. Checked gas key and alignment and everything checked out. The carrier slides back and forth like butter so it's not catching on anything. I am wondering if the H3 buffer and m16 carrier bolt is to much. 1 bullet in mag and release bolt, fire and the bolt will slide back half way and eject but will not lock back. Load another round fire and will eject and lock back, fired about 15 more single rounds and half ejected and the other half stayed in. The gas block is fully open and still nothing
Need help with not cycling - rasp65 - 10-23-2012
Check the alignment of the gas block. Maybe the gas port is undersized.
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
rasp65 Wrote:Check the alignment of the gas block. Maybe the gas port is undersized.
Checked alignment like 10 times, what is the proper diameter of the gas hole on the barrel????
Need help with not cycling - LRRPF52 - 10-24-2012
What stock do you have? Rifle extension tube, or carbine tube? What ammunition are you using? If hand loads, details of everything please.
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
LRRPF52 Wrote:What stock do you have? Rifle extension tube, or carbine tube? What ammunition are you using? If hand loads, details of everything please.
Carbine length,H3 buffer,m16 carrier,wolf 120gr
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
Also tried AA 123gr still same thing
Need help with not cycling - montana - 10-24-2012
sometimes the gas block hole and barrel ports won't match if the gas block is tight against the barrel flange. Measure and use a feeler gauge to get correct alignment.
Need help with not cycling - LRRPF52 - 10-24-2012
Sounds like the H3 is too much in this case. Get an H2 or H1 and take them to the range with you next time. Is it a carbine spring?
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
Yes carbine spring,don't have a H1 or H2 just the stock buffer and H3, I will take the stock and see if that helps. What is the diameter of the gas hole supposed to be?????
Need help with not cycling - rasp65 - 10-24-2012
You have to check with the mfg of the barrel.
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
I will call today to find how big the gas hole is supposed to be, I am suspecting it needs to be enlarged.
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
I am going to polish the carrier and inside of the upper receiver. How hard should it be to pull the charging handle back???? It takes crap load to pull it back, I can pull the charging handle back on my .223 with one finger. Anyways I guess sometime today I will take it all apart again.
Need help with not cycling - leopard6.5 - 10-24-2012
DIESEL758: It might be just my experience but I've never had a charging handle pull back as hard as you are describing even when brand new.
Mine have always been like what you described with your .223, sometimes maybe just a little harder when new but nowhere near as hard as you're saying your Grendel is.
Are you seeing any scratch marks inside the upper receiver or metal shavings inside the upper receiver?
Good luck and let us know what you find.
Lee
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
leopard6.5 Wrote:DIESEL758: It might be just my experience but I've never had a charging handle pull back as hard as you are describing even when brand new.
Mine have always been like what you described with your .223, sometimes maybe just a little harder when new but nowhere near as hard as you're saying your Grendel is.
Are you seeing any scratch marks inside the upper receiver or metal shavings inside the upper receiver?
Good luck and let us know what you find.
Lee
Not finding any shavings, If I undo the lower and slide the handle and carrier it's like butter, but when I reattached the lower it just fills way to stiff. I know it's now were being broke in yet I have only fired 30 rounds thru it. I am going to take the carrier out of my .223 it's an m16 carrier as well and see if there is any change and also the spring before I do anything with the gas hole.
Need help with not cycling - LRRPF52 - 10-24-2012
Sounds like an extra power recoil spring from your description if the BCG isn't dragging inside the upper.
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
LRRPF52 Wrote:Sounds like an extra power recoil spring from your description if the BCG isn't dragging inside the upper.
Sorry what is an extra power recoil spring. The spring came with the ATI kit I bought. Is the kit maybe a piece of crap???? Should I scrap it buy a rifle length instead????
Need help with not cycling - LRRPF52 - 10-24-2012
Some companies make extra power recoil springs. Which ATI kit did you order? The Military Buffer Tube Assembly, or Commercial? Either way, the springs are the same.
Need help with not cycling - DIESEL758 - 10-24-2012
LRRPF52 Wrote:Some companies make extra power recoil springs. Which ATI kit did you order? The Military Buffer Tube Assembly, or Commercial? Either way, the springs are the same.
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