https://65grendel.com/ Fri, 25 Sep 2026 01:47:07 +0000 MyBB https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=24733 Thu, 21 Jul 2022 04:15:29 -0600 CJW]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=24733
It seems like it would be more relaxed, less fatigue and stress on your facial muscles.

With a shotgun I always shoot with both eyes open, should I be doing this with a rifle as well?

Thanks O mighty horde for your thoughts in advance.

Live Big in Atlanta,
Atlanta has just been rated one of the top ten most dangerous cities to live in….
You can now understand my civic pride.

Chuck]]>
It seems like it would be more relaxed, less fatigue and stress on your facial muscles.

With a shotgun I always shoot with both eyes open, should I be doing this with a rifle as well?

Thanks O mighty horde for your thoughts in advance.

Live Big in Atlanta,
Atlanta has just been rated one of the top ten most dangerous cities to live in….
You can now understand my civic pride.

Chuck]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=24363 Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:54:57 -0700 Two Tone]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=24363
So....wife and I are doing the Steve Speirs 7 Weeks to 100 Push-Ups.

Going well so far. Next Monday will be our 4th week.

Anyone else doing pushups?]]>
So....wife and I are doing the Steve Speirs 7 Weeks to 100 Push-Ups.

Going well so far. Next Monday will be our 4th week.

Anyone else doing pushups?]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=9854 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 21:52:57 -0600 gmar]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=9854
However, most importantly it's taught me how out of shape I am and how hard it is to shoot when your heart rate is elevated.

How popular are events like these in your state and have you done one before. If so, what did you learn from it?

Here's the one I've been to:

http://www.okrunngun.com]]>
However, most importantly it's taught me how out of shape I am and how hard it is to shoot when your heart rate is elevated.

How popular are events like these in your state and have you done one before. If so, what did you learn from it?

Here's the one I've been to:

http://www.okrunngun.com]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=7372 Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:26:22 -0700 hm2 clark]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=7372 https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=6801 Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:58:06 -0700 MrFrankZ]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=6801

My wife also thinks it may help me hit the toilet.]]>

My wife also thinks it may help me hit the toilet.]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=5296 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:57:52 -0600 LRRPF52]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=5296
[video=youtube;8rLfYLM48Ms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms[/video]]]>
[video=youtube;8rLfYLM48Ms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms[/video]]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=4732 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:49:06 -0700 ericv]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=4732
Thanks]]>
Thanks]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=4077 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:39:10 -0700 invisiman]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=4077 side of the grip, almost pointing straight up. This puts less pressure on the hand and to me makes it easier to shoot more accurately . I also use the second knuckle of my trigger finger (bending at a 90 degree angle).]]> side of the grip, almost pointing straight up. This puts less pressure on the hand and to me makes it easier to shoot more accurately . I also use the second knuckle of my trigger finger (bending at a 90 degree angle).]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=3431 Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:45:43 -0600 stokesrj]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=3431 Yes you have to understand sight alignment, trigger control, and how to build a repeatable and solid position, actually four of them. But you have to be able to endure the elements, long days in uncomfortable weather, rain shine or whatever, the match goes on.
If any of you are interested here is the history of the distinguished rifleman badge, here is a link to the history http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/In_Dis...r_2000.pdf
Bob]]> Yes you have to understand sight alignment, trigger control, and how to build a repeatable and solid position, actually four of them. But you have to be able to endure the elements, long days in uncomfortable weather, rain shine or whatever, the match goes on.
If any of you are interested here is the history of the distinguished rifleman badge, here is a link to the history http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/In_Dis...r_2000.pdf
Bob]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1855 Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:43:50 -0700 stokesrj]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1855 I've been working on developing my prone skills using a 6.5 Grendel that I built a couple of years ago using a Panda action, McMillan prone stock, and Krieger barrel.
The gun and loads will consistently shoot in the teens from a bench so I know without doubt, any shots out of the X ring are mine.

As I've developed these skills and had the privilege of shooting along side some much more capable riflemen, it occurred to me than most rifle men don't even get a chance to see or understand the capability that a simple piece of cow hide can bring to the party. Of course that piece of cow hide alone does little but when combined with a solid understanding of how to build a position a whole new world of accuracy can be entered.

Yesterday I went to the range to compete in our monthly any/any prone match. This match is shot on the MR-31 target which is the 600 yard MR target scaled for use at 100 yards. It is actually a little tougher than the full size 600 yard target because the scoring rings are further reduced by half the diameter of a .308 bullet The national records reflect this accordingly, The record for the full 600 yards is 200-19X and for the 100 yard reduced it is 200-18X.

Anyway, I arrived for the match only to discover that I was a week ahead of schedule, the match is next week. So, I made the best of it and shot a practice match, a 50 shot match with unlimited sighters followed by a ten shot stage and then two 20 shot stages without additional sighters. The 20 shot stages are actually two ten shot stages shot on two targets, ten shots each. My scores were 100-8X, 100-8X, 100-8X, 100-8X and 100-9X for an aggregate of 500-41X. Occasionally this would be good enough to win the match but usually it takes 500-44 or 45X.

The interesting thing is that last string of ten shots found me with 9 shots and 9X's, all I had to do is break one more shot in the X to shoot my first ever 100-10X but you already know how that went.

  photo.jpg (Size: 0 bytes / Downloads: 114) ]]> I've been working on developing my prone skills using a 6.5 Grendel that I built a couple of years ago using a Panda action, McMillan prone stock, and Krieger barrel.
The gun and loads will consistently shoot in the teens from a bench so I know without doubt, any shots out of the X ring are mine.

As I've developed these skills and had the privilege of shooting along side some much more capable riflemen, it occurred to me than most rifle men don't even get a chance to see or understand the capability that a simple piece of cow hide can bring to the party. Of course that piece of cow hide alone does little but when combined with a solid understanding of how to build a position a whole new world of accuracy can be entered.

Yesterday I went to the range to compete in our monthly any/any prone match. This match is shot on the MR-31 target which is the 600 yard MR target scaled for use at 100 yards. It is actually a little tougher than the full size 600 yard target because the scoring rings are further reduced by half the diameter of a .308 bullet The national records reflect this accordingly, The record for the full 600 yards is 200-19X and for the 100 yard reduced it is 200-18X.

Anyway, I arrived for the match only to discover that I was a week ahead of schedule, the match is next week. So, I made the best of it and shot a practice match, a 50 shot match with unlimited sighters followed by a ten shot stage and then two 20 shot stages without additional sighters. The 20 shot stages are actually two ten shot stages shot on two targets, ten shots each. My scores were 100-8X, 100-8X, 100-8X, 100-8X and 100-9X for an aggregate of 500-41X. Occasionally this would be good enough to win the match but usually it takes 500-44 or 45X.

The interesting thing is that last string of ten shots found me with 9 shots and 9X's, all I had to do is break one more shot in the X to shoot my first ever 100-10X but you already know how that went.

  photo.jpg (Size: 0 bytes / Downloads: 114) ]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1659 Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:11:28 -0700 LR1955]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1659
MM-2 got good response in terms of prioritizing essential training. I proposed an initial training priority on 'training the eye to see and finger to move' (conditional reflex) over position and others an initial training priority on position development over 'training the eyes to see and finger to move'.

The logic for both arguments was also interesting. My basis is that a person will never get into a perfect position so must depend on trigger moving when eyes perceive good. The positional priority argument basically stated that a guy will have a much better chance of attaining and sustaining a good sight picture if his position is good so initial emphasis must be on position.

Either way, the result will be repetition of both a physical and mental task. The physical task will be position and the mental task will entail conditioning the finger to move when the eye sees a good sight picture.

So, here are some questions about marksmanship training that are somewhat generic but also deal with retention of skills via memory. View this in terms of the reality of life which states that unless your income depends on your marksmanship ability, you have limited time and more limited resources. Make it real please.

Understand that essentially people go through a couple of phases when learning a motorskill such as marksmanship. You all can look at Fitts and Posner (1967) and their phases of psychomotor development as a decent starting point. They posit that there are three phases. Cognitive where the individual must think as he does. Associative where the individual is more able to quickly assess his performance in action and regulate in order to do the task more quickly, smoothly, and precisely. Finally there is the Autonomous stage where the individual does these things without using much if any conscious thought. I do not think anyone gets into this final stage but rather the very best are able to focus attention on one specific thing at a critical time and are more able to quickly regulate their actions to make a physical act as perfect as possible.

My goal when training people is to assess their development level and if they are still held in more of a cognitive stage, do those things necessary to shift them to the Associative stage. This is because I believe it necessary to train people to train themselves.

So, you get someone new to shooting who wants to learn. You have no clue how much BS the individual has been filled with but most likely they have been convinced that shooting is hard to do and requires a huge outlay of time to be consistent. However, he or she is in good physical condition so can get into various shooting positions without much effort, and they do not need glasses or contacts to see.

You want to shift them from the cognitive stage to the associative stage of motor skills development. You have five training sessions with them. Each session can go up to six hours and are done on five consecutive Saturdays. They are able to shoot once during the week for about three hours. The range has a 100 yard open area where you can put paper targets and can move and shoot with another 200 yards yards of field fire where you can put in steel if you want.

Questions for you all:

What shooting discipline?

What tasks to perform?

In what priority?

How many repetitions?

At what intervals?

How will he measure success and progress?

LR1955]]>
MM-2 got good response in terms of prioritizing essential training. I proposed an initial training priority on 'training the eye to see and finger to move' (conditional reflex) over position and others an initial training priority on position development over 'training the eyes to see and finger to move'.

The logic for both arguments was also interesting. My basis is that a person will never get into a perfect position so must depend on trigger moving when eyes perceive good. The positional priority argument basically stated that a guy will have a much better chance of attaining and sustaining a good sight picture if his position is good so initial emphasis must be on position.

Either way, the result will be repetition of both a physical and mental task. The physical task will be position and the mental task will entail conditioning the finger to move when the eye sees a good sight picture.

So, here are some questions about marksmanship training that are somewhat generic but also deal with retention of skills via memory. View this in terms of the reality of life which states that unless your income depends on your marksmanship ability, you have limited time and more limited resources. Make it real please.

Understand that essentially people go through a couple of phases when learning a motorskill such as marksmanship. You all can look at Fitts and Posner (1967) and their phases of psychomotor development as a decent starting point. They posit that there are three phases. Cognitive where the individual must think as he does. Associative where the individual is more able to quickly assess his performance in action and regulate in order to do the task more quickly, smoothly, and precisely. Finally there is the Autonomous stage where the individual does these things without using much if any conscious thought. I do not think anyone gets into this final stage but rather the very best are able to focus attention on one specific thing at a critical time and are more able to quickly regulate their actions to make a physical act as perfect as possible.

My goal when training people is to assess their development level and if they are still held in more of a cognitive stage, do those things necessary to shift them to the Associative stage. This is because I believe it necessary to train people to train themselves.

So, you get someone new to shooting who wants to learn. You have no clue how much BS the individual has been filled with but most likely they have been convinced that shooting is hard to do and requires a huge outlay of time to be consistent. However, he or she is in good physical condition so can get into various shooting positions without much effort, and they do not need glasses or contacts to see.

You want to shift them from the cognitive stage to the associative stage of motor skills development. You have five training sessions with them. Each session can go up to six hours and are done on five consecutive Saturdays. They are able to shoot once during the week for about three hours. The range has a 100 yard open area where you can put paper targets and can move and shoot with another 200 yards yards of field fire where you can put in steel if you want.

Questions for you all:

What shooting discipline?

What tasks to perform?

In what priority?

How many repetitions?

At what intervals?

How will he measure success and progress?

LR1955]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1637 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:29:51 -0700 LR1955]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1637
I contend that from position development comes the neurological strengthening that allows someone to attain a confident position under any condition. The more you do some physical action, the more efficient the brain and nervous system become in commanding the body to do that action. More efficiency means faster as well as precise.

An observation is that few if anyone has mentioned the visual aspect of marksmanship and the development of a conditional response or reflex of trigger finger when the brain registers a good enough sight picture. I would think that to a good degree the speed of this action is more important than trying to train the body to be highly precise in holding a rifle up.

Lets say you were to coach someone in marksmanship where the individual was not allowed to use artificial support such as a bench rest or bipod.

Aside from the technical stuff, would you start by training them to identify a perfect sight picture with a fast and smooth trigger pull or would you focus your attention more on the physical actions needed to attain a solid physical position?


LR1955]]>
I contend that from position development comes the neurological strengthening that allows someone to attain a confident position under any condition. The more you do some physical action, the more efficient the brain and nervous system become in commanding the body to do that action. More efficiency means faster as well as precise.

An observation is that few if anyone has mentioned the visual aspect of marksmanship and the development of a conditional response or reflex of trigger finger when the brain registers a good enough sight picture. I would think that to a good degree the speed of this action is more important than trying to train the body to be highly precise in holding a rifle up.

Lets say you were to coach someone in marksmanship where the individual was not allowed to use artificial support such as a bench rest or bipod.

Aside from the technical stuff, would you start by training them to identify a perfect sight picture with a fast and smooth trigger pull or would you focus your attention more on the physical actions needed to attain a solid physical position?


LR1955]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1617 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 06:20:14 -0700 LR1955]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1617
I have used various scientific search engines to find documented and quantified research involving 'muscle memory' and came up with nothing.

So, for the first is what will probably be a couple of individual threads, let me ask the following question.

What is 'muscle memory' and how does your muscle know if it is memorizing the right thing?

LR1955]]>
I have used various scientific search engines to find documented and quantified research involving 'muscle memory' and came up with nothing.

So, for the first is what will probably be a couple of individual threads, let me ask the following question.

What is 'muscle memory' and how does your muscle know if it is memorizing the right thing?

LR1955]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1501 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:08:54 -0700 jwilson1985]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1501
Now my pistol i center in my body completely (also left handed).reason is the same as above...im a rite handed person, left eye dominate ...

This is just they way i was taught ,and it works for me.im not saying this is the right way to shoot, How do you all shoot ?]]>
Now my pistol i center in my body completely (also left handed).reason is the same as above...im a rite handed person, left eye dominate ...

This is just they way i was taught ,and it works for me.im not saying this is the right way to shoot, How do you all shoot ?]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1024 Sat, 03 Sep 2011 22:15:46 -0600 DangerClose]]> https://65grendel.com/showthread.php?tid=1024
But, I have been sick and infection this past week, and it makes me ask. What do you guys do to keep well during your life? Any foods, supplaments, tricks? We all get sick, but being able to stay well and combat it is essential.

How do you do it?]]>
But, I have been sick and infection this past week, and it makes me ask. What do you guys do to keep well during your life? Any foods, supplaments, tricks? We all get sick, but being able to stay well and combat it is essential.

How do you do it?]]>