raised rail reccomendations?

[Nimrod]

Right now I am using Leupold quick detach rings mounted straight onto my upper. The rings hold a superb zero but they are not high enough for my eye to naturally align with the sight picture. I am interested in a raised rail but would like to find one with a rear iron sight mount as well, does anyone know of one or have a recommendation?

Thank you.

[LRRPF52]

I would suggest getting new rings or a one-piece scope base, versus a rail riser + rings, as a one-piece base keeps the variables down. You need to determine what your eye-height is above bore height when you are in the most comfortable, natural cheek-to-stock-weld in the shooting position you will use the most. Measure that height accurately, even if you need two extra hands and eyes to do it. Once you have that height, search for scope mounts or rings that come as close to that as possible. A.R.M.S. makes several rails with rear iron sights, but I'm not sure your scope ocular bell will clear them without using extra-high rings. There are several makers who leave provisions for a rear iron sight, but I would find a rear flip-up with the lowest profile if you go that route. Here is an example of the #38S-EX Swan Sleeve from A.R.M.S.:

http://www.mountsplus.com/AR-15_Accessor...EX556.html

Here's the #38-EX: http://www.mountsplus.com/AR-15_Accessor...X-556.html

The other solution would be to get rings or a 1-piece base that is a little higher, in addition to a Magpul PRS with adjustable cheek piece, but that is twice the money, if funds are a factor.

Maybe the A.R.M.S. Swan Sleeve is what you're looking for...

[Nimrod]

Thank you for the suggestions, the Swan rail is exactly what I was picturing, though I am considering your other advice as well.

[leopard6.5]

Hi Nimrod: I have the same problem with most rings not being high enough because of the shape of my face. I finally went with Badger Ordnance. They make an Ultra High model that has a height of 1.40 inches.
These come in regular weight, model 306-10, that weigh 10.7 ounces and a lightweight version, model 306-18, that weigh only 5.1 ounces.
The lightweight ones are made out of a different alloy to make them so much lighter.
I've got the lightweight version because I'm always trying to keep things as light as possible.
I've had these for years and on several rifles and they have always held a great zero.
The only thing I wish they were is quick detach but I guess we can't have everything.
With that said, I have taken them with the scope still in them and moved them to another rifle and they still held the zero from the one rifle to the other.

Good Luck whichever way you go.

Lee

[RStewart]

I would suggest getting new rings or a one-piece scope base, versus a rail riser + rings, as a one-piece base keeps the variables down.
...

Yep. The less stuff that can possibly move around, the better!

[leopard6.5]

Nimrod: In the thread titled " Vortex Viper PST mounting - LaRue or Burris? " in this same section they mentioned a mount from American Defense MFG at: [URL="http://americandefensemanufacturing.com"] with quick release mounts.
This company offers this in a high version with a height of 1.8 inches from the top of the rail to the center of the scope.
The model # is: AD-Recon-H

You might want to take a look.

Good Luck.

Lee

[LRRPF52]

LaRue also offers different height mounts. You might go with your original intent and try the A.R.M.S. Swan Sleeve with your current rings, if the two systems add-up to the desired height for your facial anatomy and eye-plane. I think the Swan Sleeve adds at least .5" of height to the rail.

I have used Swan Sleeves on several different platforms, including my M4 when I was still in, and I preferred that flip-up sight to the Knight's issue BUIS any day. I have also used the A.R.M.S. extended rail on SPR platforms with QD rings, and can't recall any issues. I have a friend who has them on his AR-10 uppers, one of which is in 6.5x284, and he shoots some pretty impressive groups with that rig from 700m to over 1000m. I've never heard any complaints from him about zero-return.

I currently lean towards 1-piece bases for my own rifles and carbines, as it just makes things simpler for me. The Swan will provide you the most affordable option since you already have rings if they provide the eye-height plane you're looking for. Have you measured your eye-height from a good cheek-to-stock weld yet? That should be your starting point in this endeavor.

[Nimrod]

I agree that less is better, but the swan offers exactly what I want and it will give me the extra height I need. I think it will the direction I go. Thank you all for the advice.

[Dhmr]

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=24997...SCOUT_RAIL