Who prints the money? Who owns the banks? Who owns the media? Who owns politicians? Who is worried about big blowback when they really crash the economy and start World War 3?
Follow the money.
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http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conserv...89260.html http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/biden-gu...de=1298D-1
And they are recruiting Benedict Arnold's to help destroy the constitution. And some people don't think the military leaders wont order their troops to fire upon American citizens. WAKE UP. Nukes is right, follow the money. Some people will justify anything to save their job's, careers or be given a promotion. MOLON LABE
I heard this on Rush yesterday I think. Just remember that AP stands for Apparatchik Propaganda, and it all makes sense. On what twisted aberration of hell does an organization claiming to be staffed with journalists get upset when real journalism discovers and reports on the inside DOJ memo for the White House?
The curtain is far back folks, if you haven't woken up already. To top it off, today we hear about Premier Hussein warning of empty food shelves at the grocery store if sequestration happens. First the guns, then the food. Where has that happened before?
In every communist regime once they take over, even though there was plenty of food to begin with, they force registration of all firearms, then confiscate them, then starve and democide the undesireables:
![[Image: Holodomor.jpg]](http://www.executedtoday.com/images/Holodomor.jpg)
The whitewash that was done to communist atrocity awareness pre- and post-WWII here in the West permeates with as much stench as the rotting corpses of the innocent. " Change is comin' America......"
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montana Wrote:And some people don't think the military leaders wont order their troops to fire upon American citizens.
And, what makes you think those 'troops' will obey such orders? Or if the National Guard in each state is willing to gun down its own relatives.
How about one of you guys telling us how three Stryker Brigades, one Special Forces Group, and one Ranger Battalion can get to and control Utah, California, all of Washington, Idaho, Nevada, and most of Colorado? Come on guys -- someone tell me.
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LR1955 Wrote:And, what makes you think those 'troops' will obey such orders? Or if the National Guard in each state is willing to gun down its own relatives.
How about one of you guys telling us how three Stryker Brigades, one Special Forces Group, and one Ranger Battalion can get to and control Utah, California, all of Washington, Idaho, Nevada, and most of Colorado? Come on guys -- someone tell me.
LR1955 There is a division in this country with two different beliefs being perpetrated. Look at the propaganda of hatred and lies being spewed at the NRA and its members. With enough propaganda figure heads like we are seeing with police chiefs, ex military generals etc the anti second amendment side will seem to be the most reasonable The national guard disarmed their own neighbors during Hurricane Catrina. They were just following orders and making the streets safer. One only has to look at history to see what the future will be. The majority of German citizens in the 1930's were not lunatic Nazis, but were highly educated, moral, who wanted to do the right thing for their nation. With enough propaganda people can commit horrible atrocity's. Disarmament is not going to happen over night but with gun bans, registration and then by making examples out of a few unfortunate individuals with the whole propaganda machine behind it. Gun rights people will be demonized, and the majority of low information citizens will support it. Divide and conquer, it is happening right in front of us all at this very moment. Like I said before WAKE UP.
LR1955 Wrote:And, what makes you think those 'troops' will obey such orders? Or if the National Guard in each state is willing to gun down its own relatives.
How about one of you guys telling us how three Stryker Brigades, one Special Forces Group, and one Ranger Battalion can get to and control Utah, California, all of Washington, Idaho, Nevada, and most of Colorado? Come on guys -- someone tell me.
LR1955
There is an assumption, not only from the leftwing but from libertarians, that those in the military are blind, dumb robots. Frankly, the average soldier or Marine may be disciplined. But they are still very independent. Plus it has been hammered into us that we are not to follow unlawful orders.
And a military of 2 million, plus 1 million reservists (to include Guard), is not even enough to control the American people. It would take a force of over 5 million. And most in uniform are technicans (logistics or admin), not hardcore combat arms or military police. I rather doubt that clerk-typists, mechanics and supply techs present a threat to our freedom.
LRRPF52 Wrote:...In every communist regime once they take over, even though there was plenty of food to begin with, they force registration of all firearms, then confiscate them, then starve and democide the undesireables:
The whitewash that was done to communist atrocity awareness pre- and post-WWII here in the West permeates with as much stench as the rotting corpses of the innocent. "Change is comin' America......"
Yes, a holocaust of over 60 million Christians:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MEGA.HTM
“We hate Christianity and the Christians. Even the best amongst them must be considered as our worst enemies. ... Down with love of our neighbours. What we need is hatred. We must learn to hate: this is they way in which we will conquer the world.”
USSR’s 1933 New Anti-Religious Manual in Hill, Kent R. The Puzzle of the Soviet Church. An Inside Look at Christianity & Glasnost. Multnomah Press, Oregon. 1989. page 92.
http://tinyurl.com/6p7gfgt
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NrBrA...CDMQ6AEwAA
montana Wrote:...The majority of German citizens in the 1930's were not lunatic Nazis, but were highly educated, moral, who wanted to do the right thing for their nation. With enough propaganda people can commit horrible atrocity's. ...
Far beyond propaganda, there are inconvenient facts that have been flushed down the Orwellian memory hole. The Germans well knew who perpetrated the bloody 1918 Bavarian Socialist Republic in their own war-weakened nation (and similarly bloody revolutions in several neighboring nations), the very same "nation within the nation" who instigated and funded numerous bloody revolutions since 1789 and who declared war on Germany in 1933.
Yankees and Confederates both incarceratedand mistreated, even starvedthose they deemed traitors. Americans of Japanese and German extraction were also incarcerated. Germany was not supposed to be concerned about their own declared internal enemy?
Sometimes there are facts that prompt people to commit horrible atrocities. Even in the analysis of truly heinous events, we must keep cause and effect clearly in mind.
Before the death toll was widely known, they boasted that Communism and the revolutions were theirs. Now that the death toll is widely known, they deny they had any connection to it. Trotskyites have morphed into "neoconservatives." If the genocidal banksters get to write the history again, you can be sure they will once again whitewash themselves as virtuous sinless victims.
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Maybe I am wrong but the pro gun side just lost the last election. This means that the majority or at least half of the US is not worried about the second amendment. The military leadership seems to be going through a cleansing. Many states at this moment are enacting gun bans and restrictions one year ago wouldn't have been thought possible. Government agency's are buying un presented amounts of weapons and ammunition. The lies and propaganda through the DOJ and network TV are growing daily.
I was not trying to insinuate people in the military are un able to think but can be susceptible to propaganda like anybody else. We need to embrace military and law enforcement people who are strong supporters of the second amendment and educate the ones who are not. There is a strong campaign in this country to demonize gun owners with the support of many law enforcement and military personnel. Military personnel are no less susceptible to propaganda than the citizenry. Military personnel are first and foremost taught to follow orders. With enough propaganda any thing is possible. Many people on this forum are military or ex military as I am, but I am not delusional enough to think the impossible could not happen here. When a stacked supreme court rules the gun bans and restrictions are constitutional, good, luck trying to disobey orders to support and assist apprehending criminals "aka gun owners" who refuse to obey the law.
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montana Wrote:Military personnel are first and foremost taught to follow orders. With enough propaganda any thing is possible. Many people on this forum are military or ex military as I am, but I am not delusional enough to think the impossible could not happen here. When a stacked supreme court rules the gun bans and restrictions are constitutional, good, luck trying to disobey orders to support and assist apprehending criminals "aka gun owners" who refuse to obey the law.
Montana:
You aren't delusional. Paranoid is the more correct term.
It is funny how you guys make up straw man arguments such as "When a stacked supreme court rules the gun bans and restrictions are constitutional..." to support your arguments. In reality, such things are to support your own paranoia. So far there is a litany of Supreme Court decisions favoring the Second Amendment as legal precedent.
You guys need to come up with something better than International Bankers and the society of Germany and Russia during the 1930's as being evidence that the US Military will take to the streets and shoot Americans who don't turn over their AR-15's.
You two haven't yet told us how our entire military can occupy the entire USA or even one major city such as LA or Chicago. Come on now, you tell us how a military the size of ours can occupy the USA. That is probably more delusional than paranoid.
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http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/berett...-own-risk/
Beretta To Gun Grabbers: Enact Such Measures At Your Own Risk
LR1955 Wrote:Montana:
You aren't delusional. Paranoid is the more correct term.
It is funny how you guys make up straw man arguments such as "When a stacked supreme court rules the gun bans and restrictions are constitutional..." to support your arguments. In reality, such things are to support your own paranoia. So far there is a litany of Supreme Court decisions favoring the Second Amendment as legal precedent.
You guys need to come up with something better than International Bankers and the society of Germany and Russia during the 1930's as being evidence that the US Military will take to the streets and shoot Americans who don't turn over their AR-15's.
You two haven't yet told us how our entire military can occupy the entire USA or even one major city such as LA or Chicago. Come on now, you tell us how a military the size of ours can occupy the USA. That is probably more delusional than paranoid.
LR1955
Re-read what you wrote and what Montana and I separately wrote. You conflated two different issues: (1) whether LEO/military people will enforce gun bans and (2) whether facts, cause and effect, have anything to do with people's reaction to events (or their perception of events). To this point I said NOTHING about the "stacking of the Supreme Court," so there is no "you guys."
That said, now I will note that the District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) decision was a rather bland acknowledgement that there is an individual right to keep and bear arms, but the door was left open for restrictions. Pointedly the Marvelettes.... er... Supremes said they were not prepared to determine the scope of allowable restrictionsbut they most definitely left the framework for restrictions. That is a fact, not paranoia and not propaganda. Read the decision.
Far from being a "litany" of pro-RKBA decisions, most gun cases were limited in scope and, until McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), did not even "incorporate" the 2nd Amendment against the States.
Perhaps courts that give cover to torture, run interference for Monsanto, allow businesses to patent human genes, allow banksters to gamble and lose clients' personal accounts without recourse, and leave the door open for gun "restrictions" gives you confidence in future freedom, but not me. Your current and past efforts to weaponize your risible psychiatry with buzz words like "paranoid" and "conspiracy theory" only emphasizes how fact-free your position really is.
Whether or not compliant LEO/military succeed in martial law or gun bans, the attempt will result in many lost and destroyed lives and property. THAT matters to me. Rather than millions of deaths in another War Against the States, I would rather see the guilty prosecuted and punishedand the innocent left to life, liberty, and happiness.
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Nukes Wrote:Far beyond propaganda, there are inconvenient facts that have been flushed down the Orwellian memory hole. The Germans well knew who perpetrated the bloody 1918 Bavarian Socialist Republic in their own war-weakened nation (and similarly bloody revolutions in several neighboring nations), the very same "nation within the nation" who instigated and funded numerous bloody revolutions since 1789 and who declared war on Germany in 1933.
Yankees and Confederates both incarcerated—and mistreated, even starved—those they deemed traitors. Americans of Japanese and German extraction were also incarcerated. Germany was not supposed to be concerned about their own declared internal enemy?
Sometimes there are facts that prompt people to commit horrible atrocities. Even in the analysis of truly heinous events, we must keep cause and effect clearly in mind.
Before the death toll was widely known, they boasted that Communism and the revolutions were theirs. Now that the death toll is widely known, they deny they had any connection to it. Trotskyites have morphed into "neoconservatives." If the genocidal banksters get to write the history again, you can be sure they will once again whitewash themselves as virtuous sinless victims.
Nukes, I come from German heritage and my grandparents confirmed what you have just stated. There was a real dislike of Jews not just in Germany but in many country's then as there is now. Germany was treated horribly after WW1 and there was harsh consequences because of it. The dangerous part about talking about it is the wrong impression that can be taken as" justification" of the atrocities that were committed. Jewish people are not all sinless or virtuous but many have been victims through out history as all people have at one time or other. This is the propaganda I was talking about. When one side uses propaganda on another, DE-humanization can occur which leads to justifying committing atrocities. No country is sinless as no people are. People in this country seem to be loosing the real history lessons of the past and how important it is to restrain government powers. Our nation had division of power and I see it being consolidated with the blessing of many. This is why the second amendment is so important.
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LR1955 Wrote:Montana:
You aren't delusional. Paranoid is the more correct term.
It is funny how you guys make up straw man arguments such as "When a stacked supreme court rules the gun bans and restrictions are constitutional..." to support your arguments. In reality, such things are to support your own paranoia. So far there is a litany of Supreme Court decisions favoring the Second Amendment as legal precedent.
You guys need to come up with something better than International Bankers and the society of Germany and Russia during the 1930's as being evidence that the US Military will take to the streets and shoot Americans who don't turn over their AR-15's.
You two haven't yet told us how our entire military can occupy the entire USA or even one major city such as LA or Chicago. Come on now, you tell us how a military the size of ours can occupy the USA. That is probably more delusional than paranoid.
LR1955 I hope I am just paranoid and history will prove you right. Four out of five supreme court justices stated the second amendment did not give an individual the right to own guns. It is in the Bill of rights for god sakes. When I read my son's grade school history book it stated under the second amendment "the right to have a military". Governments don't have rights they have powers. I never said the military would occupy the entire USA, I gave examples how repressive governments come to power through indoctrination and propaganda. Do you really believe there are no people in this country who are not trying to gain power and destroy our constitution? Really? Who's being delusional? The national guard already dis armed people after Hurricane Catrina. Do you think they would not have fired back if gun owners had resisted?
The thing I find important is that there doesn't need to be a viable plan to dis-arm Americans in one swoop, just like it has taken 150 years of incrementalism to impose the series of violations to the 2A, starting with the various State laws barring freed slaves from owning firearms, to the 1934 NFA, then the 1968 GCA, 1968, and 1994 AWB. Marxists and Power-mongers like FDR, Johnson, and Clinton have done just fine with incrementalism.
There doesn't need to be a viable plan to have military and LE disarm the people per se, since the agitation is enough right now.
One factor that does have the power to disarm most of the people is food shortages. Even though the US is the largest food exporter, we import even more food from abroad. We are also in an era where food production is transitioning to more and more of a globally-controlled commodity outside the influence of national governments. Since China has purchased well over 26.1% of US debt, which was the figure in 2011. One of the main stories not being investigated by the Apparatchik Pres right now is how China is demanding- and receiving collateral for that debt in real assets, like National Forests, farmland, mines, interest in oil refineries, railroads, and the NAFTA superhighway.
http://economyincrisis.org/content/china...ay-project
How many of you know what it's like to starve? How many of you have gone without food for 24hr...36hr...48hr...?
In an engineered foot shortage scenario, where our locally-produced chow is being shipped out under our noses, with our own store shelves empty, I can see millions begging to get in line to turn in their firearms in exchange for food. The police and National Guard would merely be herding and running crowd control at that point.
Since China bought the White House, starting in as early as 1992, with John Juang (the senior manager of all of China's foreign intel services front businesses), and the transfer of US technology to China under Clinton's most favored nation status, the groundwork was laid for them to dominate much of our foreign policy.
Comrade Hussein is their crown jewel in foreign policy accomplishment, especially when you look at the victory tour he took in Southeast Asia post election, letting China's Southern neighbors know that their goose is cooked.
As you shop at China Mart, swallow hard to digest those wood pulp-stuffed artificial food units, while real food heads out on the trains and truck to any of our deep sea ports for China. Mmm mmmm mmmmm!
montana Wrote:Nukes, I come from German heritage and my grandparents confirmed what you have just stated. There was a real dislike of Jews not just in Germany but in many country's then as there is now. Germany was treated horribly after WW1 and there was harsh consequences because of it. The dangerous part about talking about it is the wrong impression that can be taken as" justification" of the atrocities that were committed. Jewish people are not all sinless or virtuous but many have been victims through out history as all people have at one time or other. This is the propaganda I was talking about. When one side uses propaganda on another, DE-humanization can occur which leads to justifying committing atrocities. No country is sinless as no people are. People in this country seem to be loosing the real history lessons of the past and how important it is to restrain government powers. Our nation had division of power and I see it being consolidated with the blessing of many. This is why the second amendment is so important.
Agreed on all counts. That is why I emphasize the need to apply objective moral standards for Yankees, Confederates, Germans, and those who whine when they suffer what they have done to others. In large degree the USA has swallowed moral subjectivism—and I predict that "might makes right" and "because we can" ethic will be an important contribution to the downfall of the current empire. The world at large should not and will not long tolerate Master Race creeds and the "we can do it to you, but you cannot do it to us" exceptionalism that Master Race creeds claim for themselves.
LRRPF52 Wrote:...There doesn't need to be a viable plan to have military and LE disarm the people per se, since the agitation is enough right now...
Agreed. There doesn't need to be, but the DOJ memo is "smoking gun" [pun intended] evidence of the goal and the search for a plan.
I believe the economic evidence at hand (like the food issues you raise) explains "their" willingness to abandon their tried-and-proven incrementalism. I read a certain desperation in their recent efforts. Likely they recognize that they—and we—are on a very short string.
Their reach has far exceeded their grasp. They are certainly experts in boiling frogs, but they are not infallible. I believe they made some major miscalculations that have seriously set them back, even if only temporarily. With Americans buying guns every 1.5 seconds and emptying the shelves of ammo, components, and accessories, it is quite clear that many Americans are not buying what they are peddling. One way or another they will be back at us again.
Nukes Wrote:Agreed on all counts. That is why I emphasize the need to apply objective moral standards for Yankees, Confederates, Germans, and those who whine when they suffer what they have done to others. In large degree the USA has swallowed moral subjectivismand I predict that "might makes right" and "because we can" ethic will be an important contribution to the downfall of the current empire. The world at large should not and will not long tolerate Master Race creeds and the "we can do it to you, but you cannot do it to us" exceptionalism that Master Race creeds claim for themselves.
This is straight out of the communist propaganda campaign against the US, to claim that our achievements are based on racism, rather than the combination of the most choice real estate on earth, worked by a people with a stubborn ethic towards the pursuit of excellence, which was developed over thousands of years of dealing with the extreme cold and limited farming seasons of Northern Europe, as well as the limitations of geography in Southern Europe.
Once these European peoples inhabited the American Continent, there was no more geographic constraint, but a saturated continent of connected rivers, vast farmland, and endless deep sea ports. The communists push this racist template to demoralize ignorant masses in their brainwashing camps, generation after generation, until things like what you posted above become the accepted tenets of academia in a sick, self-critical catharsis that doesn't address all the actors and their interests on the global playing field.
Remember that China has some beef to settle with the Brits over the opium wars, and the US has been executing the foreign policy of the former British Empire as a surrogate of sorts. That surrogacy has changed within the past 2 decades, with Comrade Hussein at the helm fully in the tank for China. The idea that the US's dominance was based on race ignores the multi-ethnic groups that have made up our Nation since before it even began.
It is true that the Royal Families of Europe, Asia, and Africa had racial superiority leanings with different dynasties, but different belief systems had more of an influence on their perceived and practiced superiority over their subjects, whether you look at the Egyptians, Japanese Empire, or the Hapsburg's. The practical reality is that children or families in power feel a burden of responsibility that comes with leadership, with lessons learned from forefathers passed down in ways that weren't common to the peasants, slaves, and serfs throughout history.
The unique civilizations that stick out, were the Greek city States, with their idea of self-rule, representative rule, and democratic concepts of the governed granting power to the governors. This contrasts with the East, where sheer power was the qualifying concept of governance. The US is a minority in the world, where we are not accustomed to living under brute force, so its rise has had to be incremental.
Europe has been a tug-of-war over the centuries, between both types of government (brute force and Greek city state democracy), settling to a soft tyranny branded as democracy under Marxist principles in the 20th Century that morphed into a Supra-National entity in the latter half, where everyone knows that staying in-line is the way to avoid government force, and have been conditioned to compliance easily. The lack of resistance was made easier, especially after the highly-religious heretics against state-controlled worship (Puritans, Quakers, Baptists, & those seeking religious freedom), along with rugged opportunists, left the European Continent en masse in several waves in the era of exploration, colonization of the "New World", and creation of the United States from the 1500's-1800's.
Soon after the establishment of the United States, the Old European powers worked hard to control and harness its expansion to their benefit, and the Marxist principles perforated the US at the same time as they metastasized throughout Europe in the late 1800's. In Europe & Eurasia, this led to revolutions, with violent disposals of the old Empires, so they could be replaced with socialist states, with much of the state-controlled church apparatus still in place (except for Russia), while the overwhelming mantra of superiority of the system is pounded into the minds of European people's heads in propaganda centers, PR channels, and through expansive social programs that have been dismal failures, lauded as shining successes to the world.
At the same time in the US, as we financed these European programs unknowingly via a massive theft scheme managed by the old Euro money powers, presidents and legislators introduced the same types of socialist programs in the US via incrementalism.
To simply blame one particular genotype or people is one of the most lazy arguments, but convenient for the attention deficit generation. This is why the Nation of Islam has so much success in recruiting incarcerated marginal ethnic groups to radicalization, and why David Duke's website appeals to Americans who were mentally deadened in the Dewey public school system. Race is only a small factor among thieves. Dynasties and Empires have had minimal objections to mixing races and families, when it benefits their political interests. The same is mostly true of organized crime. The deeper you delve into history, the more you see the role of geography, trade routes, weather, plagues, disasters, and physical constraints or opportunities being the important areas of study.
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LRRP52 you are able to articulate better than I ever could. I enjoy reading your threads.
LRRPF52,
As for blaming genotype, I am innocent of that charge. I blame nobody for what they cannot control. I do hold people accountable for what they believe and what they do, things that are entirely a matter of their own free will. To infer otherwise is a smear.
As for tallying the USA's accomplishments, I have long been old enough to tell the difference between then and now.
If a “communist” observes that the sky is blue, does the sky turn orange? While there are features distinctive of communism, the recognition that race, ethnicity, religion and money, not just food, minerals, and seaports, play a part in world history, including US history, is not uniquely “communist.” To infer otherwise is just another smear.
I think your absolution of the USA is premature. Jingoism often gets in the way of objectively assessing the accomplishments and deficits of one’s own nation relative to other nations. There is no shortage of objective measurements finding the USA at or towards the bottom of the heap, not the top. Is our assessment of the USA today to be based on static events from some prior century? Or is the assessment dynamic, one related to what the USA actually is and does today? I submit that a contemporary A (Abortion) to Z (Zionism) assessment is in order.
In my estimation—you may or may not agree—that most of the world fails the objective moral standards of the Ten Commandments provides no cover or absolution for the USA. “Everyone else is doing it” just doesn't cut it.
I exhort this country, my country, my people of all colors, to do better, not to abet, conceal, or shrug off the deficits.
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