What's Everyone Hunting.

[MIHeadShot]

Hey would like to know what everyone is hunting with their Grendel's
pigs and yotes I see.
What about White tails, Bear or Elk
what rounds are you using and what distance are we talking.

[VASCAR2]

You won’t find anymore comprehensive collection of 6.5 Grendel hunting data than posted in this knock down survey from a few years ago. There may have been similar data collected for other time periods but the info in the link has a lot of useful information.


https://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthre...vey/page21

[biodsl]

From Grendel lore...
Mark LaRue takes an elk at 400 yards with a grendel. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Elk...1#i1241548

[MIHeadShot]

Well now I feel better, thanks for this was beginning to wonder that I was thinking of the wrong Caliber.

[MIHeadShot]

Sweet. Thanks

[MachV]

5 antelope between 325 and 450 yards dead in thier tracks With ELDs out of the Grendel!
As good as it has worked on antelope I still am reluctant to use them on deer and elk to me would be a stunt kind of thing....there are better rounds IMPO

[MIHeadShot]

This round will knock a deer dead. at that range.
I posted before people taking heart and lung shots.
Shoot them in the eye or just behind it, even a good
headshot will drop them in their tracks, why waste the meat
the head is about the same area in circumference
people are sheeple in their behavior, meaning this is
the way it's been done, no one looking outside of the box.
I've witness deer being shot in the eye with a .22 from well over a 100 yards...drop right in their tracks, "Every time".

So you know this is not directed at you, just a statement in general.
After I seen this every shot I do is at least a head shot, I would assume the power snaps their necks. No Tracking.

[outbreaker]

I was part of a doe culling crew and took out over 100 does personally with the Grendel in one season.

[MIHeadShot]

What would you say was your average distance?

[Double Naught Spy]

This round will knock a deer dead. at that range.
I posted before people taking heart and lung shots.
Shoot them in the eye or just behind it, even a good
headshot will drop them in their tracks, why waste the meat
the head is about the same area in circumference
people are sheeple in their behavior, meaning this is
the way it's been done, no one looking outside of the box.
I've witness deer being shot in the eye with a .22 from well over a 100 yards...drop right in their tracks, "Every time".

So you know this is not directed at you, just a statement in general.
After I seen this every shot I do is at least a head shot, I would assume the power snaps their necks. No Tracking.

The problem with taking "head shots" is that the head, depending on the mammal, is anywhere from 30% to 75% non-vital structures.

I have seen a hog shot in the eye with a 6.5 Grendel that didn't die. So "in the eye" doesn't necessarily work "Every time" unless you have the correct trajectory and penetration to actually do significant damage to the appropriate structures.

The reason a lot of people will not or do not take "head shots" is because the head is often quite mobile on deer, hogs, coyotes, etc. as compared to the rest of the body. The intended target can literally move its head out of the way of a shot while the shot is in flight. A nice brain shot can turn into a jaw shot or nose shot with nothing more than a quick head move and that can happen in less than 1/10" of a second, about the flight time of many typical hunting distance shots, and certainly within a 1/4 second for a shot of about 200 yards. The animal may not be trying to move out of the way of the bullet. They just move unexpectedly, sometimes. Those are more of worst case scenarios for "head shots" and the best case when it comes to them being screwed up, is a clean miss.

After I seen this every shot I do is at least a head shot, I would assume the power snaps their necks.

If deer were so delicate that a bullet impact to their head "snaps their necks" they would never survive into adulthood. You can shoot deer in the head all day long without ever damaging their necks unless the bullet actually travels through the spine.

[MIHeadShot]

Who was there, me or you.
I've shot many pigs in the eye, dropped on the spot.
But hey, I've seen it snow the 27th of May before.
I can also say I've seen many times as a guide the
animal turn at the last second and what was a well aimed lung/heart shot turned into a gut shot.

[myrifle]

The problem with taking "head shots" is that the head, depending on the mammal, is anywhere from 30% to 75% non-vital structures.

I have seen a hog shot in the eye with a 6.5 Grendel that didn't die. So "in the eye" doesn't necessarily work "Every time" unless you have the correct trajectory and penetration to actually do significant damage to the appropriate structures.

The reason a lot of people will not or do not take "head shots" is because the head is often quite mobile on deer, hogs, coyotes, etc. as compared to the rest of the body. The intended target can literally move its head out of the way of a shot while the shot is in flight. A nice brain shot can turn into a jaw shot or nose shot with nothing more than a quick head move and that can happen in less than 1/10" of a second, about the flight time of many typical hunting distance shots, and certainly within a 1/4 second for a shot of about 200 yards. The animal may not be trying to move out of the way of the bullet. They just move unexpectedly, sometimes. Those are more of worst case scenarios for "head shots" and the best case when it comes to them being screwed up, is a clean miss.



If deer were so delicate that a bullet impact to their head "snaps their necks" they would never survive into adulthood. You can shoot deer in the head all day long without ever damaging their necks unless the bullet actually travels through the spine.

Agreed. Two season ago while deer hunting I had a sounder come in on me. All of the hogs were in the 75 too 120 pound range.

I let them set up and at 40ish yards I took my first shot on a black sow frontal brain pain hit angled down through the bottom of the skull between the lower jaw bones and exited.

She dropped "dead" at the shot, emptied the mag killing several other sows in the sounder.

When I went to load her up on the wheeler, I was shocked to find her very much still alive 2 hours after I shot her. She couldnt move her body but she was still conscious about what was going on around her and surprising she could still slightly move her head and even still bite.

While headshots can be very effective. They are also very risky in terms of miss's and are wounding that causes a long slow death.

To the op, I have killed whitetail deer in 9 states, including a huge body Wisconsin buck and a ton of hogs, yotes, bobcats,foxes, nutra.

I would not have a issue hunting mule deer, elk or even moos with a grendel but I would select my bullet and barrel length accordingly and know and stand firm on keeping my shots inside the bullets min expansion speed range.

[MIHeadShot]

Well I was a hog farmer and everyone knows "NEVER" to shot a hog head on, why I said in or just behind the eye.

[myrifle]

Well I was a hog farmer and everyone knows "NEVER" to shot a hog head on, why I said in or just behind the eye.

Lmao.

[Double Naught Spy]

Who was there, me or you.
I've shot many pigs in the eye, dropped on the spot.
But hey, I've seen it snow the 27th of May before.
I can also say I've seen many times as a guide the
animal turn at the last second and what was a well
aimed lung/heart shot turned into a gut shot.

LOL. Okay, you may have seen it, but as you are talking up its virtues as you are, it is important to note that the eye isn't a vital structure in and of itself. One most certainly can shoot a hog or a deer in the eye and the animal not drop dead as a result. Like you, I have shot many hogs where the bullet initially entered through the eye that dropped on the spot as well (and have the videos on YT to prove it) but "Every time" is one of those absolutist statements that should not be an absolutist statement because it won't always be true, as I noted. I know of at least twice I have seen hogs shot through an eye where the hog did not drop dead because the bullet missed entering the cranial cavity.

It was you who asked

why waste the meat
the head is about the same area in circumference

You indicated that the head is the same area in circumference as the thoracic vitals kill zone on deer or hogs hence why you are saying to take head shots and not thoracic vitals shots and wasting meat, only this is a flat out misleading statement as you seem to be suggesting that the area of vitals is the same between the head and the thorax and that just isn't true. The "head" contains a lot of non-vital area.

Yes, animals do move. Compared to a thoracic vitals shot and a cranial CNS shot, the difference is in the size of the target. The thoracic vitals shot (~4-5x larger vitals target than in the head in deer and more so in hogs) gives the hunter much more room for various errors, either on the part of the hunter, environmentals, & animal movement.

[MIHeadShot]

Well Double Naughty Spy, You're spewing a lot of misinformation, do you work for
the Gov't?

Yes, I'll amend my statement of every time, but because nothing is an absolute
but I'll say over 99.8% of the time.

I did Not say the head is "The Same", I said it's close to the same circumference(Gov't misinformation again)
stick to the script.

I for one don't hunt with room for mistakes in mind, yes they can happen, but when I shoot a animal in the head It goes down and doesn't suffer, if you like to take the room for mistakes approach, then hey, your choice.
But I've seen to many animals live to long after heart and lung shot, to take the new approach of hitting them in or just behind the eye(AS I SAID in that post. Not straight at a pigs forehead or any place else.
As well i assumed on my part that people would get the general idea that you're trying to blow the brains out of the pig and not conduct a shot through both eyes.

[outbreaker]

I love all these " shoot them in the eye" talk. The answer just like "shoot them in the shoulder" is "it depends"

You are aiming at the anatomical structure that is underneath muscle and bone. I worked in Vet Medicine and can immediately spot every organ from any angle. But the point of external impact changes on angle of incident and angle of elevation.

I shoot pigs in the head all the time. Only one I have had run off was one I shot dead on with a .30-06. Pig was shot 20 min later at another feeder and we learned that the bullet deflected off the skull slope and just gashed her forhead. On an animal that is level and broadside the aim point is 1/2 way between the eye and earhole. This will enter the brain 100% of the time and send bone through it as well.

Most people are not well versed enough in animal anatomy to be able to hit small targets that have a moving aiming point.

[MIHeadShot]

Exactly, and thanks.
Let's think of those poor bastards who got shot on the firing line.
Headshots, and drop, no twitching other than nerves.

[kmon]

Exactly, and thanks.
Let's think of those poor bastards who got shot on the firing line.
Headshots, and drop, no twitching other than nerves.

The farm raised hogs I have shot all dropped on the spot from a 22 short hollow point as described. Pigs in a pen or trap are far different than wild feral hogs. Farm hogs shot distance is much shorter and not rushed, just wait for a shot that will impact the skull ay a right angle to the skull surface at point of impact into the brain and instant dead hog.

Lots of places to shoot a hog and kill it cleanly, some quicker than others but on any of them if the shooter is off the mark the outcome will not be what is wanted a clean quick kill.

I will also say Double Naught Spy's knowledage of anatomy exceeds most.

All the farm raised hogs or trapped hogs I have shot were close shots. Inside 15 yards, feral hogs a few feet to 400+ yards. Margin of error increases with distance

[kmon]

On a different note the Grendel works very well for whitetail deer, feral hogs and coyotes for me. Would it be my choice for elk, probably not i have several other guns for that. If the Grendel was all I had to hunt elk with and a hunt was offered I would go after my elk.