I am going to purchase this scope relatively soon for my Grendel and i wanted to get opinions from precision shooters here on what moa adjustment y'all like best. I know this all boils down to personal preference...and I have both kinds but still i would like to here what y'all have to say about it before i spend 2,100. I do shoot this gun at 1000 yards also.
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At 1000 1/8 MOA adjustments are very useful.
At 100 in Benchrest they can be useful. My F class scope are 1/8 MOA.
But that makes turning them a somewhat slower process, so for hunting I use 1/4 MOA. Targets don't move, animals do!
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That's a great perspective, thanks for your input!
Between those choices, I would go with 1/4 MOA. Since 1 MOA is 10.47" at 1000yds, your clicks will move the strike of the projectile 2.6", if you can shoot that consistently. 1/8 MOA is 1.3" at 1000yds, so from my experience, 1/4 MOA clicks are plenty. You'll be dealing with way bigger problems at that range anyway, like the wind.
That's true, you can make quicker changes with the 1/4 to dial in before the wind changes. Normally when i'm shooting in wind I rely heavily on my scope recticle for quick windage compensation before it shifts.
What reticle do you want? I say go with a mlr reticle with .1mil rad turrents. ...saves on having to convert between mils & moas. If you're bench rest shooting you probably don't want a busy mildot fov in which case 1/8 moas will give you finer adjustments. Personally if i was going drop 2k+ on grendel optics it would be the NXS 3.5-15 x 50 F1 (has zero stop) w/ the H58 (soon to be replaced by H59) reticle & .1 mil clicks
smoke13 Wrote:What reticle do you want? I say go with a mlr reticle with .1mil rad turrents. ...saves on having to convert between mils & moas. If you're bench rest shooting you probably don't want a busy mildot fov in which case 1/8 moas will give you finer adjustments. Personally if i was going drop 2k+ on grendel optics it would be the NXS 3.5-15 x 50 F1 (has zero stop) w/ the H58 (soon to be replaced by H59) reticle & .1 mil clicks
I do like the MLR recticle but I have also been looking at the NP-R2. I compared different magnifications and after using my friends 25x schmidt bender almost settled on the 22x nxs but i figured if i am going to spend the money I might as well get the 32x nxs with the zero stop just in case i decide to attempt some ridiculously long shots lol
On my NF 8-32x56 I have 1/4 moa. On my 12-42 56 I have 1/8.
For hunting, I agree that 1/4 moa is great. For Mid to LongRange shooting I like the 1/8 for fine adjusting.
RStewart Wrote:On my NF 8-32x56 I have 1/4 moa. On my 12-42 56 I have 1/8.
For hunting, I agree that 1/4 moa is great. For Mid to LongRange shooting I like the 1/8 for fine adjusting.
I agree with this as well. My current long range scope is 1/8 moa. What's your opinion on the 8-32x56 for long range shooting and what kind of mount do you use on it?
COLDSTEEL77 Wrote:I agree with this as well. My current long range scope is 1/8 moa. What's your opinion on the 8-32x56 for long range shooting and what kind of mount do you use on it?
I have it mounted on a 20 moa Nightforce one-piece base and NF 30 mm rings. I have no problems seeing the 3" x-ring at 600 yards, if mirage is not too strong.
RStewart Wrote:I have it mounted on a 20 moa Nightforce one-piece base and NF 30 mm rings. I have no problems seeing the 3" x-ring at 600 yards, if mirage is not too strong.
Awesome! That's exactly what im looking for. Do you think the nightforce base and rings are better than a larue mount?
COLDSTEEL77 Wrote:Awesome! That's exactly what im looking for. Do you think the nightforce base and rings are better than a larue mount?
I don't have any experience with Larue. NF is all I use.
[quote=RStewart]I don't have any experience with Larue. NF is all I use.[/Q
Thanks for the good Information, I sure appreciate it!
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All my AR's wear Larue mounts, my 7mm WSM has Nightforce mounts. They both are top of the line. I went with Larues on my AR's because it allows quick swaps of scopes if one of my AR's goes down and I need to switch.
The Nightforce are rock solid, but not mobile in the sense of the Larues. I've swapped my Larues and scopes between rifles, and gone back to the original, I've even shipped the rifle and optics cross country, seperately, and then slapped them back on. NO loss of zero. I'm a believer in Larue when it comes to scopes that MUST be mobile.
The Nightforce rings allow the use of bubble levels and Nightforces Angle Degree Indicator, which can be helpful on uneven terrain and downhill or uphil shots.
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bwaites Wrote:All my AR's wear Larue mounts, my 7mm WSM has Nightforce mounts. They both are top of the line. I went with Larues on my AR's because it allows quick swaps of scopes if one of my AR's goes down and I need to switch.
The Nightforce are rock solid, but not mobile in the sense of the Larues. I've swapped my Larues and scopes between rifles, and gone back to the original, I've even shipped the rifle and optics cross country, seperately, and then slapped them back on. NO loss of zero. I'm a believer in Larue when it comes to scopes that MUST be mobile.
The Nightforce rings allow the use of bubble levels and Nightforces Angle Degree Indicator, which can be helpful on uneven terrain and downhill or uphil shots.
I agree with this concept as well and also use larue mounts. I have a QD LT-104 on my grendel and just as you stated there is no loss of zero upon detaching and reattaching the mount, they are definitely top of the line. I have never used the nightforce mounts though so i was curious about them, thanks for the info.!
I use 1/4 MOA for everything, that way when I get under stress in rapidly changing conditions I can go into auto pilot mode. To me the chance of making a mistake and doubling or halving my intended dope is just to much of a risk to take.
Bob
stokesrj Wrote:I use 1/4 MOA for everything, that way when I get under stress in rapidly changing conditions I can go into auto pilot mode. To me the chance of making a mistake and doubling or halving my intended dope is just to much of a risk to take.
Bob
That's a very helpful point of view that i haven't given much thought until now. Normally I'm shooting bench rest so i have plenty of time to focus on what I'm doing and to make the proper adjustments. I'll definitely give this more thought, thanks Bob!
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COLDSTEEL77 Wrote:I am going to purchase this scope relatively soon for my Grendel and i wanted to get opinions from precision shooters here on what moa adjustment y'all like best. I know this all boils down to personal preference...and I have both kinds but still i would like to here what y'all have to say about it before i spend 2,100. I do shoot this gun at 1000 yards also.
Get the 1/4 MOA adjustments. You will find that it is almost impossible to see an effect from the cause when using 1/8 MOA and will end up turning the dial at least two clicks anyway. And you will find that aside from perhaps 1000 yard Bench Rest types of things being shot by very serious Bench Rest or F-Class guys shooting bolt rifles with cartridges that are designed around that distance, a 1/8 adjustable optic will not be fun or useful with any other type of shooting activity.
I doubt you will see a difference of 1/8 MOA at any distance closer than 1K and to do so, your ammo better hold better than 1/2 minute and you better have doped the wind perfectly.
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LR1955 Wrote:Get the 1/4 MOA adjustments. You will find that it is almost impossible to see an effect from the cause when using 1/8 MOA and will end up turning the dial at least two clicks anyway. And you will find that aside from perhaps 1000 yard Bench Rest types of things being shot by very serious Bench Rest or F-Class guys shooting bolt rifles with cartridges that are designed around that distance, a 1/8 adjustable optic will not be fun or useful with any other type of shooting activity.
I doubt you will see a difference of 1/8 MOA at any distance closer than 1K and to do so, your ammo better hold better than 1/2 minute and you better have doped the wind perfectly.
LR1955
I can tell a difference with the 1/8 moa scope i have on the rifle now, however you're right about having to dial at least two clicks at a time most of the time and also to go along with what you were saying about using the 1/8 for other types of shooting activities it may not be the most practical way to go. Thanks for your input, that's a great perspective and just the kind of solid information I'm looking for to make a informative decision on choosing the proper scope, thanks!
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COLDSTEEL77 Wrote:I do like the MLR recticle but I have also been looking at the NP-R2. I compared different magnifications and after using my friends 25x schmidt bender almost settled on the 22x nxs but i figured if i am going to spend the money I might as well get the 32x nxs with the zero stop just in case i decide to attempt some ridiculously long shots lol The problem with the higher powers is being able to actually use them at distance. I usually can't use much over 20x at 1000k around here. The mirage becomes too much. For closer range benchrest type stuff I'm sure it'd be handy, but if you don't plan on using it that way you might be better served with a 5.5-22x56 instead. If you use it for anything more mundane like hunting then the 5.5 power would also be nice to maintain. Just my opinion.
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