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National concealed carry introduced in senate
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https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/senate-...ntroduced/

U.S. Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) introduced the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act (S. 446) this week.

Like its companion version in the House, which was introduced back in January, S. 446 seeks to ensure that law-abiding citizens who are licensed to carry in their home state can also carry when traveling around the country.

“This bill strengthens both the constitutional right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and the power of states to implement laws best-suited for the folks who live there,” Sen. Cornyn said in a statement.

“This legislation is an important affirmation of our Second Amendment rights and has been a top priority of law-abiding gun owners in Texas for a long time,” he continued.

The bill, if passed, will do all of the following:

Ensure that valid concealed carry permits issued in one state are valid for carrying concealed handguns in other states that recognize their own resident’s right to concealed carry;
Allow those from constitutional carry states the ability to carry in other states that recognize their own resident’s right to concealed carry;
Put the burden of proof clearly on the state to show that an individual carrying concealed did not comply with the law, thus protecting law-abiding gun owners from onerous civil suits;
Provide legal protections against states that violate the intent of this bill, making attorney’s fees and damages available to victorious plaintiffs in civil suits, as well as to defendants who prevail in criminal cases; and
Allow individuals who are carrying concealed to do so in the National Park System, National Wildlife Refuge System, and on lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management, Army Corps of Engineers and Bureau of Reclamation.
It’s important to note that the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act does not tell the states that they have to adopt a certain concealed-carry issuing standard (e.g. May Issue versus Shall Issue versus Constitutional Carry) or rewrite laws governing the use of force (e.g. Stand Your Ground, Castle Doctrine, Duty to Retreat). In other words, the states retain the authority to determine the regulations and process for one to carry in public as well as what constitutes the lawful use of deadly force.

“The current patchwork of state and local gun laws is confusing and can cause the most conscientious and law-abiding gun owner to run afoul of the law when they are traveling or temporarily living away from home,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA. “Senator Cornyn’s legislation provides a much needed solution to a real problem for law-abiding gun owners.”

The bill was cosponsored by U.S. Sens. John Barasso (R-WY), Roy Blunt (R-MO), John Boozman (R-AR), Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Thad Cochran (R-MS), Mike Crapo (R-ID), Ted Cruz (R-TX), Steve Daines (R-MT), Mike Enzi (R-WY), Joni Ernst (R-IA), Deb Fischer (R-NE), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Dean Heller (R-NV), John Hoeven (R-ND), Johnny Isakson (R-GA), Ron Johnson (R-WI), John McCain (R-AZ), Jerry Moran (R-KS), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), David Perdue (R-GA), Rob Portman (R-OH), Pat Roberts (R-KS), Mike Rounds (R-SD), Marco Rubio (R-FL), John Thune (R-SD), Roger Wicker (R-MS) and Todd Young (R-IN).

Unsurprisingly, news of the bill’s introduction was met with immediate criticism from gun-control organizations.

“Senator Cornyn’s bill is a dream for the gun lobby and a nightmare for public safety,” said John Feinblatt, the president of Everytown for Gun Safety in a statement. “For centuries, cities and states have set their own reasonable, tailored limits on who can carry hidden, loaded guns in their public spaces. One size does not fit all, and this NRA-backed bill would only make the weakest link the law of the land – gutting America’s public safety laws.”

Likewise, Shannon Watts the founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, which is part of the Everytown coalition, lashed out against the legislation calling it “radical” and arguing that it would “undermine public safety laws from coast to coast.”

“It would also go against the will of the majority of Americans – 88 percent of whom support requiring safety training and a clean criminal record in order to carry a hidden, loaded handgun in public,” said Watts. “Moms Demand Action volunteers and gun violence survivors in all 50 states will band together with police, mayors and lawmakers to fight this dangerous legislation. The safety of our families and communities are on the line.”

At this point, it’s difficult to tell whether the votes are there in the Senate to pass this bill. A 60-vote threshold would be required to override a Democratically-led filibuster. As with the Hearing Protection Act, which would remove suppressors from the NFA, we might not know its fate until the 2018 midterms. Either way, we’ll keep you posted.

Concealed Carry Facts, courtesy of NRA-ILA:

Every state in our nation recognizes the right of residents to lawfully carry a concealed handgun in public for self-defense – a right that more than 15 million Americans now exercise.
America’s experience with concealed carry demonstrates that the repeated anti-gun claim that concealed carry increases violence is factually incorrect. The available evidence shows that concealed carry licensees are exceptionally law- abiding.
National reciprocity is already a reality in the 22 states that recognize all other concealed carry licenses or allow law-abiding non-residents to carry a firearm without a license.
Only ten states still refuse to grant full faith and credit to the permits of other states, forcing lawful concealed carriers to surrender their rights when traveling through these jurisdictions. The consequence is obvious, as otherwise law-abiding citizens – including veterans, a single mother, a disaster response worker, a nurse and medical school student, and even a corrections officer – have become accidental criminals and suffered seizure of property, arrest, detention, and even prosecution because they failed to navigate the legal minefield that is the current state reciprocity system.
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Statement withdrawn


I would still prefer that the Feds do not get involved in this.
Sticks

Catchy sig line here.
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As I read it, it does NOT require states to adopt a standard. Each state will still keep it's own laws, just that states have to recognize CCW permits from other states.

I live in NY. I have to surrender my rights when I travel to Connecticut, NJ, PA, all of which are within 1/2 hr from me. What this means to me however, is I would have to have separate ammo for NJ to comply with their laws. As my magazines are NY compliant, I would not have an issue with those in other states.

Those coming to NY however would have to have low capacity (10 round max) magazines. You would also have to learn NY laws where there is no Stand Your Ground or Castle Doctrine and the Duty to Retreat is required (even in your own home).

As far as notifying law enforcement upon encounter, I agree to a point. If I'm at the local deli getting a sandwich, no, I'm not telling the officer who comes in for his coffee that I have a gun. When I get stopped by an officer (I drive commercial vehicle so this happens frequently), I hand them my CCW permit along with my driver's license. It's never been an issue for me.
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1075 tech Wrote:As I read it, it does NOT require states to adopt a standard. Each state will still keep it's own laws, just that states have to recognize CCW permits from other states.

I live in NY. I have to surrender my rights when I travel to Connecticut, NJ, PA, all of which are within 1/2 hr from me. What this means to me however, is I would have to have separate ammo for NJ to comply with their laws. As my magazines are NY compliant, I would not have an issue with those in other states.

Those coming to NY however would have to have low capacity (10 round max) magazines. You would also have to learn NY laws where there is no Stand Your Ground or Castle Doctrine and the Duty to Retreat is required (even in your own home).

As far as notifying law enforcement upon encounter, I agree to a point. If I'm at the local deli getting a sandwich, no, I'm not telling the officer who comes in for his coffee that I have a gun. When I get stopped by an officer (I drive commercial vehicle so this happens frequently), I hand them my CCW permit along with my driver's license. It's never been an issue for me.

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ccw? never heard of it.
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mdram Wrote:ccw? never heard of it.

not sure if trolling or not, but CCW = Concealed Carry Weapon.
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Travelers better study up on the laws of the states they visit. Going from a state with open carry to one where someone getting a peak at your sidearm is considering brandishing, for example, could be trouble!
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Maybe I shouldn't have used the term CCW. I know that in some states that is what it is referred to as it allows the concealed carry of a "weapon". In certain states that weapon need not to be a handgun. Do NOT come to NY with your gravity knife, switch blade, nunchuks, machete, etc.

Just last week we had a case where a lady travelling from Texas to Maine tried to sell a handgun to a gun store to get gas money. She was arrested for having an unregistered pistol.
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Having the freedom to carry concealed in all states would be a plus. It would be better if the states that do have reciprocity with your state allowed conceal but some have to be open carry or in the vehicle with mag seperated from the pistol. You need to know the laws of the state you are visiting or you could get caught breaking the law. It can be confusing and feel like entrapment study before you go. I think there should be a uniform background check recognized by all states awarding those that get approved to carry everywhere they go whether it's in a restaraunt court or church. The setting doesn't change the fact that you are an approved to own and carry law abiding citizen. The same should go for NFA as well. Just my $0.02
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." James Madison
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explorecaves Wrote:not sure if trolling or not, but CCW = Concealed Carry Weapon.


yeah, i know what it is. but here in the peoples republic of maryland, its pretty much non existant
you have to show good and substantial reason, so 99% of people will never qualify.
you can apply, and wont get denied, they will just return your application.
its a trick to keep denial percentage down
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mdram Wrote:yeah, i know what it is. but here in the peoples republic of maryland, its pretty much non existant
you have to show good and substantial reason, so 99% of people will never qualify.
you can apply, and wont get denied, they will just return your application.
its a trick to keep denial percentage down

If it passes, there should be no reason why you cant get a non-resident permit from another state...
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explorecaves Wrote:If it passes, there should be no reason why you cant get a non-resident permit from another state...

iirc that still wont allow me to carry in my home state, just any other state
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Sticks Wrote:Statement withdrawn


I would still prefer that the Feds do not get involved in this.

+1

I would like for the FEDS to stay out of firearms regulations all together!


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
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mdram Wrote:iirc that still wont allow me to carry in my home state, just any other state

If they have to recognize like they do drivers license, then why wouldn't it allow you?
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Sounds like the haves in Maryland make sure the have-nots have not. It amazes me how seldom people realize many states have gun laws that were passed to limit the civil rights of the lower classed and darker skinned. In Georgia we were very progressive in ridding ourselves of Jim Crow era laws which limited the rights of the oppressed by separating them from weapons. (I like to antagonize self-righteous liberals from yankee states with that bit.)
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