The pesident is fired up to take away our gun rights

[montana]

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/16...-amendment

[Deer Hunter]

Screw all of them, Molon Labe!

[cory]

Stock up.

I expect the Dems to take seats this midterm election. I wouldn't be surprised if they took back the house.

[Tedward]

Stock up.

I expect the Dems to take seats this midterm election. I wouldn't be surprised if they took back the house.

Looks like th Brass at Midway might start dwindling... I'll be getting my share again...

[Trooper]

The democats do not want to take away your gun rights. They want you subjugated. They want you kneeing before them, conquered.

The democrats never ban anything. They just restrict it such that only their elite buddies have access. After all their lives are worth more than yours.

If we lose the House in 2014, everything comes to pass.

[Nukes]

Republican Ed Feulner of the mis-named Heritage Foundation is the one who talked Republican Ray-Gun into an AW import ban. Ray-Gun also signed the dubiously passed (contested voice vote after midnight without a quorum present) machine gun freeze of '86.

Let's be loyal to the 2nd Amendment, not to political parties.

[LRRPF52]

Republican Ed Feulner of the mis-named Heritage Foundation is the one who talked Republican Ray-Gun into an AW import ban. Ray-Gun also signed the dubiously passed (contested voice vote after midnight without a quorum present) machine gun freeze of '86.

Let's be loyal to the 2nd Amendment, not to political parties.

I remember the AW import ban occurring under the Administration of George H.W. Bush, otherwise known as the "Bush Ban", when Colt stopped putting evil bayonet lugs on AR15A2 Sporter II's, and installing sear blocks into the lower. The 1986 Tiahrt Amendment was a piece of legislation crafted to protect gun owners and manufacturers from Federal overstep. The Dems tacked the new MG ban onto it in the last minutes before being passed. Other than that, it was good legislation, restricting government from keeping records of people's firearms.

[BjornF16]

The MG ban was a middle of the night amendment with a voice vote that obviously didn't pass…another one of the democrat "in the opinion of the chair…" ramrods.

[Nukes]

The first AW import ban was an executive order by His Holiness Republican Ray-Gun, as I said, prompted by 'neo-con' Republican Ed Feulner. After years of HK91's being just out of reach, I could finally afford one and the morning news about his action spurred me to buy one (in factory desert camo) as soon as the gun store opened. Purchase of the HK91 spurred me to sell it and buy a FAL (laughing}.

LRRPF52, I believe you are thinking of the second AW import ban, the '14 part' legislative action, "the Unsoeld Amendment," named after Democrat Rep. Jolene Unsoeld, not signed by the sion of the Nazi financier.... but by Clintoon (rhymes with spittoon).

[KentuckyBuddha]

To be fair they had to do something though to stop rifles with lugs to halt that rash of drive-by bayonettings that was plaguing our land at that time. Just sayin'

[BjornF16]

LRRPF52, I believe you are thinking of the second AW import ban, the '14 part' legislative action, "the Unsoeld Amendment," named after Democrat Rep. Jolene Unsoeld, not signed by the sion of the Nazi financier.... but by Clintoon (rhymes with spittoon).

The 1986 FOPA Amendment banning MGs was the "Hughes Amendment", ruled as passed by Rangel in the middle of the night.

In the morning hours of April 10, 1986, the House held recorded votes on three amendments to FOPA in Record Vote No's 72, 73, and 74. Recorded Vote 72 was on H.AMDT. 776, an amendment to H.AMDT 770 involving the interstate sale of handguns; while Recorded Vote 74 was on H.AMDT 770, involving primarily the easing of interstate sales and the safe passage provision. Recorded Vote 74 was the controversial Hughes Amendment that called for the banning of machine guns. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), at the time presiding as Chairman over the proceedings, claimed that the "amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended, was agreed to." However, after the voice vote on the Hughes Amendment, Rangel ignored a plea to take a recorded vote and moved on to Recorded Vote 74 where the Hughes Amendment failed.[6][7] The bill, H.R. 4332, as a whole passed in Record Vote No: 75 on a motion to recommit. Despite the controversial amendment, the Senate, in S.B. 49, adopted H.R. 4332 as an amendment to the final bill. The bill was subsequently passed and signed on May 19, 1986 by President Ronald Reagan to become Public Law 99-308, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Own...ection_Act

The "Tiahrt Amendment" was under Clinton.

I don't believe that Reagan signed any executive order banning MGs…the FOPA did that with the Hughes Amendment. I suspect some internet blogger levied the "executive order" myth and it has been perpetuated by some erroneously. But I'd be happy to be corrected with evidence of said executive order.

Edit:
Yup…searched database on Reagan's executive orders. Nothing on firearms, guns, machine guns. Pure myth. See http://www.archives.gov/federal-register...eagan.html

[montana]

to be fair they had to do something though to stop rifles with lugs to halt that rash of drive-by bayonettings that was plaguing our land at that time. Just sayin'

lol +1

[Nukes]

My mistake. The Purdy shooting occurred when Ray-Gun was a lame duck. Feulner leaned on Ray-Gun and the sion of the Nazi financier followed through with the executive order for the first AW (not MG) import ban.

Even in correcting my mistake, the point is still illustrated. Loyalty to the Republican Party is misplaced.

Here's an interesting aside to the Purdy shooting. Certain powerful Californians could not afford to have Patrick Purdy discussed. They had to make the gun the issue. If Patrick Purdy himself had become the issue, Purdy's time as a child prostitute would have become more widely known and followup investigation would almost certainly have brought the ring's client list to light.

Anyone who wants to follow that lead should start with the the psychological autopsy section of Purdy's official autopsy report. That said, the last person I know who investigated that ring suffered a home arson and theft of stored evidence.

Unfortunately the trick was very effective and now it is always about the gun, never the shooter.

[BjornF16]

I'm fully behind abandoning "party loyalty"…no one should vote for someone due to party affiliation, particularly regarding 2A issues. But I will say this…no democrat will EVER get my vote in ANY election (just look at Manchin and his support of anti 2A issues, not to mention how he empowers prince harry).

But I will also say this: Reagan turned this country around and while he wasn't the perfect president (is there such a one?) his positives outweigh his negatives. His one "sin" against the 2A in hindsight was signing FOPA, which actually had quite a lot of good in it and was supported by the gun lobby (MG ban notwithstanding). In his later years (well into his illness), he "wrote" a letter to some congressmen urging them to support Clinton's ban. I'll write that one off to manipulation of an elderly statesman...

Once again, Reagan did NOT sign ANY executive order banning weapons importation. The Purdy shooting occurred on January 17, 1989 (days before Reagan left office). It was H.W. Bush who signed the AW importation executive order.

The multiple murders at Stockton received national news coverage and spurred calls for regulation of semi-automatic weapons. "Why could Purdy, an alcoholic who had been arrested for such offenses as selling weapons and attempted robbery, walk into a gun shop in Sandy, Oregon, and leave with an AK-47 under his arm?" Time magazine asked. They continued, "The easy availability of weapons like this, which have no purpose other than killing human beings, can all too readily turn the delusions of sick gunmen into tragic nightmares."[1] Purdy was able to purchase the weapons because the judicial system had not convicted him of any crime that prevented him from purchasing firearms. Neither had Purdy been adjudicated mentally ill, another disqualifying factor.[16]
In California, measures were taken to first define and then ban assault weapons, resulting in the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989. On the Federal level, Congress struggled with a way to ban weapons like Purdy's aesthetically military-style rifle without being seen to also ban more sporting-looking rifles. Later in 1989, President George H. W. Bush signed an executive order (the Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle Ban) banning importation of assault weapons. The Federal assault weapons ban was enacted in 1994, and expired in 2004. President Bill Clinton signed another executive order in 1994 which banned importation of most firearms and ammunition from China.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_School_massacre

[Nukes]

ONCE AGAIN, I acknowledged, corrected, and explained my mistake:

The Purdy shooting occurred when Ray-Gun was a lame duck. Feulner leaned on Ray-Gun and the sion of the Nazi financier followed through with the executive order for the first AW (not MG) import ban.

IIRC, The neo-con Feulner was also the agent of influence for the poor demented Reagan's later letter.

If you read Anatoly Golitsin's two books, The Perestroika Deception and New Lies for Old, you will have good evidence that the "turn around," the convergence of Crony Capitalism and Communism under the same banksters and "oligarchs," precisely what we suffer globally today, was planned with the cooperation of the KGB Directorate since the 1950's. Before his dementia took hard hold (MCI, Minimal Cognitive Impairment, strikes early in Alzheimer's), Reagan also tripled the national debt, another score for the banksters and crony capitalists, an insight why their media leaves Reagan's legacy sacrosanct.

[TheOTHERmaninblack]

Nukes, tone down the meds, man! Everything you've posted in this thread could easily have been posted-- and in a much more coherent manner-- without the hyperbole.

When you look into what Reagan did or did not accomplish, you HAVE to view it through the filter of the national government at the time. He was up against a Democrat controlled Congress fully entrenched. The successes he had in that environment were pretty astounding to us who were watching back then.

The 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act was widely viewed as a great victory in the gun community. Compared to the '68 act, it was flowers and butterflies. The decision to sign it despite the last second machinegun ban was a difficult one, but the consensus was that-- with the way things were turning-- we needed to take what we could get (the other protections) and worry about the machinegun clause later. At the time, IIRC, we weren't even that worried. We figured that it would be easy to strip that thing away as part of a later bill (which we expected within a couple of years)

Sadly, GHW Bush boned us all on that score. I had a .308 Galil actually on its way to the gun shop with my name on it when he signed that AW ban. Needless to say, within a couple of minutes, that $500 rifle became a $1200 rifle, and I never did get it.

[Nukes]

I "HAVE" to view it your way? I can't have my own opinions, passion, or style? If I am not like you, I am "on meds"? Welcome to the "new" America.

The NFA community was not so blasé about the MG freeze. Reagan was a personable fellow, but, because the banksters led him around by the nose, he was an unmitigated "kick-the-can" economic disaster. Tripling the national debt is no "hyperbole."

[bwaites]

I am so done with this! Closed!

So is the 2A Forum until further notice.