Boston Bombing

[COTNTOP]

America is being ruled by a class of individuals that are dependent on working people. From the highest to the lowest positions are making a mountain of rules for the unwashed masses to follow. All these laws can be traced back to their government job security. This class of people were raised up on government and that is all they know. A class of people that were raised to have one train of thought is hard to reason with.

[LR1955]

[quote=LR1955]

I'm assuming he did it for the same reason we commonly spell california with a k. The state has been transformed to a virtual communist state by the American standard of liberty. The country is well on its way to that. If your watching the same events I've been watching recently the radicals of the 60s and 70s are well on their way to accomplishing their goals, because to many Americans have turned a blind eye to the tyrannical actions of our government.

Cory:

He may have used it in that manner but it doesn't excuse his failure to realize what its use implies.

The leftists in the 60's used the misspelling of America as 'Amerika' as a vulgar insult to our country, its heritage, its naivete, its optimism, its boldness, its innovation, its belief in God, the Nuclear Family as it was termed then, etc. They used it as an insult to our entire heritage and our culture. Hillary was SDS I believe. Bill Clinton was in another anti-American (anti-war) group. The word was common slur used by the radical leftists then and continues with the same intent today by the real hard core radical leftists -- the Liberation Theologists. Of all of them from the 60's and 70's, the Liberation Theologists are the only ones left I believe. Obama's 'church' preaches Liberation Theology.

So, when someone here uses that spelling of America, they should understand what it is implying about them, no matter what it may have meant before the radical left started using it in the 60's and 70's. It is considered a vulgar insult of our country.

Still not sure why everyone is so pissed off about capturing the Muslim terrorist in Boston. The conspiracy guys here apparently think it is the end of the world.

What is up with that?

LR1955

[montana]

[quote=cory]


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Still not sure why everyone is so pissed off about capturing the Muslim terrorist in Boston. The conspiracy guys here apparently think it is the end of the world.

What is up with that?

LR1955

Who is pissed off about capturing the Muslim terrorist? I missed that one.

[LR1955]

[quote=LR1955]
Who is pissed off about capturing the Muslim terrorist? I missed that one.

Montana:

Go back to your response to Nukes in message #99. You supported his comments and they were directed towards us not reading the guy his Miranda rights.

Since you agree with Nukes that this really is the end of the world, and his statement has upset others who also agree with him, I have to ask why?

LR1955

[montana]

I cant find the end of the world statement. I agree that in the United States due process is the foundation of our country.I agree that when a government uses the end justifies the means plan even at the expense of due process then we as a nation have become the very thing we are suppose to be fighting. We as a decent moral people should up hold a higher standard. The kill them all let God sort them out mentality is not only immoral but stupid in a strategic sense. We have leftist in this country using this very same plan. Using public safety as a means to dis arm the population and infringing on God given rights is the end justifies the means plan. A person is innocent until proven guilty and this should apply to every citizen in this country. I would rather set free 1000 guilty people than sentence one innocent person. These two brothers are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of their peers. If you are ever in the position of being tried and found guilty in the courts of public opinion with full cooperation by our leftist news media you would have a different opinion.

[BjornF16]

What do you believe is the purpose of reading Miranda rights? Is it to initiate due process? Or is it to inform a person about their rights against self incrimination?

The Supreme Court has ruled (and is thereby the "Law of the Land" by virtue of the system set up by our Founding Fathers) that in certain time critical cases of public safety, Mirandizing isn't necessary immediately after arrest in order to gain information to protect the public from imminent threats.

Are you saying you disagree with this tact? For nearly 200 years we operated without Miranda warnings, and merely relied on the 5th Amendment to guide the country against self-incrimination.

As I posted previously, there will be plenty of evidence to use against Tsarnaev and prosecutors won't likely even need his testimony in court or any confessions prior to any court proceeding. Any information gained about potential co-conspirators outweighs the worry over self incrimination. Even if a court throws out any self-incriminating information gained prior to Mirandizing him, it would be worth it particularly if they uncover other similar plots in progress. There isn't any talk of torture in order to get this information.

What I find fascinating is this DoJ's decision to delay Mirandizing in light of their refusal to do so in previous terror related arrests and their criticism of "W" for refusing to Mirandize non-citizens at Gitmo.



Edit: Time critical information such as sleeper cells related to brothers Tsarnaev: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/...hA.twitter

[Deer Hunter]

There's no such thing as right and wrong. There are only differences of opinion.

Probably neither one. More likely he's just full of.........himself.

If he actually has a "bombshell" that would truly have such momentous effects, why wait until Monday?

What are you pissed off about?

What am I pissed off about? Pick a topic. Govt Gun control, the economy, taxes, incompetency in our Govt. How about the talking heads on t.v. blaming White Tea partyers and saying that we we're probably guilty of bombing our own country.
How about The fact that the GOP and Dems have waged a War on the World and they have the balls to blame us. The President and the News agency ask the question of who would do something like this? Well i'll answer that question with another question. What country doesnt want to bomb us? Its very sad that our own Govt has burned just about every Political bridge with every country, do we even have any Allies left?

[Nukes]

"Pilate saith to him: What is truth?" John 18:38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-k1vIde6aQ

[Deer Hunter]

He was in a fire fight with Americans...now he is in prison preaching radical islam and radicalizing converts. He gets out in approx 6 years. Better to have been rid of him. A long stay on death row first is fine with me.

I don't want Tsarnaev in prison doing the same gig as Johnny Taliban...radicalizing other inmates and generally causing problems in prison due to liberal judge rulings of prisoners' rights.

Agreed!

[BjornF16]

What am I pissed off about? Pick a topic. Govt Gun control, the economy, taxes, incompetency in our Govt, talking heads blaming White Tea partyers being guilty of bombing our own country The GOP and Dems have waged a War on the World and they have the balls to blame us. To answer that question i'll answer it with another question. What country doesnt want to bomb us?

DH, I once had a commander tell me: "Don't get mad, get even".

I don't particularly subscribe to "getting even", but rather "taking action".

I'm not challenging you, just asking for the horde in general: "What are you doing about it?"

Most of the problems we have with intrusion upon the Constitution are rooted in apathy. Give Joe his six-pack and he is happy.

Take action. Become a one person lobbyist. Network and lobby with other like minded folks. Throw money at legitimate organizations that support our rights. Give money to individual politicians who support our agenda versus milk toast conservatives who are happy to compromise. Take action!

[Deer Hunter]

[quote=Deer Hunter]

DH:

One of the things wrong in America is that people can't spell and refuse to learn from history.

For example, you spelled America wrong. It is spelled with a 'c', not a 'k'. The reason I mention this is because the radical leftists of the 60's and 70's always spelled America with a 'k'. They really hated our freedoms and wanted to see a Communist type of government established here. They were also violent terrorists who bombed and murdered Americans on American soil. I believe Hitler's personal aircraft was named 'Amerika' as well, but he changed it when we went to war. So, when I or others of my background see people misspell America using a 'k' instead of a 'c' it makes us think they are either illiterate or hate America as surely as those Communist terrorists of the 60's and 70's. I don't think you hate our country like the radical leftists of the 60's so am not sure why you are using their spelling.

Now that's out of the way, what are you so pissed off about?

LR1955

I can spell fairly well, I didnt mispell it it was a sarcastic statement. But it was not directed at the military it was directed at our Socialistic Politicians who don't think they're elected officials anymore, they think of theirselves as our masters and it damn sure pisses me off.m

[Deer Hunter]

[quote=cory][quote=LR1955]

I'm assuming he did it for the same reason we commonly spell california with a k. The state has been transformed to a virtual communist state by the American standard of liberty. The country is well on its way to that. If your watching the same events I've been watching recently the radicals of the 60s and 70s are well on their way to accomplishing their goals, because to many Americans have turned a blind eye to the tyrannical actions of our government.[/QUOTE

Exactly my friend! Look ive never served in the military but i'm a supporter of our military and im very proud of all of you. But our Politicians (both parties) are guiding our Country towards a Socialistic Police state in my most humble opinion.

[Deer Hunter]

DH, I once had a commander tell me: "Don't get mad, get even".

I don't particularly subscribe to "getting even", but rather "taking action".

I'm not challenging you, just asking for the horde in general: "What are you doing about it?"

Most of the problems we have with intrusion upon the Constitution are rooted in apathy. Give Joe his six-pack and he is happy.

Take action. Become a one person lobbyist. Network and lobby with other like minded folks. Throw money at legitimate organizations that support our rights. Give money to individual politicians who support our agenda versus milk toast conservatives who are happy to compromise. Take action!

Ive been a Delegate at the GOP Convention back in 2004 (back when I believed in them), ive been a Chamber Director/Treasurer, I was a theater Director and President.
I'm a member of the NRA, I have hosted events for Georgia Mayors. Theres more but I think ive made my point, im not bragging I just wanted you to know I put my money and my time where my mouth is.

[montana]

I was talking about American citizens not war combatants. Knowing ones rights is due process. We use to need warrants for searches but the process of law seems to be on the fast tract to un-limited search and seizures. We now need drones and unrestricted intrusions in our lives to be safe. Feel any safer yet? We shut down the city of Boston and send in the Homeland security with their new toys to find a 26 and 18 year old want to be jehad-est. Yet we have hundreds of people being murdered on our Mexican border with human heads showing up in peoples driveways, tons of illegal narcotics flowing over the border and this problem is responded to with a yawn. Common sense has to dictate in every situation but to blindly accept the party line is not only stupid but proven dubious at best. Trust has to be earned and when administration after administration has been caught lying, trust is hard to come by. When do you take the party line as a given and when do you begin to question it? Gun runner , Ruby ridge, etc has created the distrust that exist today. I don't see booger men under every rock but the old saying trust but verify comes to mind. Verification seems to be in short supply these days. We as a nation need to up hold or at least try to uphold the rule of law. If blindly accepting everything your being told is your way of thinking more power to you. I'm glad there are people questioning every motive and action that is going on. We may have crazy conspiracy theories every where but being told 30 years ago our nation would look the way it does today I would have thought that was a crazy conspiracy. Being treated like a moron by our representatives and being given information that they feel we could handle or understand maybe ok with you but I would rather know the truth, wort's and all. I sure don't take it personally if someone comes up with something that seems way out there. Sometimes truth can be stranger than fiction.

[Deer Hunter]

[quote=cory]

Cory:

He may have used it in that manner but it doesn't excuse his failure to realize what its use implies.

The leftists in the 60's used the misspelling of America as 'Amerika' as a vulgar insult to our country, its heritage, its naivete, its optimism, its boldness, its innovation, its belief in God, the Nuclear Family as it was termed then, etc. They used it as an insult to our entire heritage and our culture. Hillary was SDS I believe. Bill Clinton was in another anti-American (anti-war) group. The word was common slur used by the radical leftists then and continues with the same intent today by the real hard core radical leftists -- the Liberation Theologists. Of all of them from the 60's and 70's, the Liberation Theologists are the only ones left I believe. Obama's 'church' preaches Liberation Theology.

So, when someone here uses that spelling of America, they should understand what it is implying about them, no matter what it may have meant before the radical left started using it in the 60's and 70's. It is considered a vulgar insult of our country.

Still not sure why everyone is so pissed off about capturing the Muslim terrorist in Boston. The conspiracy guys here apparently think it is the end of the world.

What is up with that?

LR1955

This was my whole point the people that did this then are now running our country. I hate it as much as you do, but you misunderstood my statement. But I can see your point of view and i'll consider it in my future posts.

[Deer Hunter]

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[montana]

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I'm not challenging you, just asking for the horde in general: "What are you doing about it?"
]I would like to ask you the same question. I don't question any ones motives on this forum because we are all just trying to understand the craziness that's going on and trying to keep the rights that we now have. To say people on this forum are frustrated at times would be an understatement. We may disagree about the why factor but we can all agree that there is defiantly something wrong with the direction this nation seems to be going. If you have a better plan of action I'm all ears. There are a lot of insightful and knowledgeable people on this forum and I enjoy everyone's opinion whether I agree or not.

[stanc]

What I find fascinating is this DoJ's decision to delay Mirandizing...

According to the news reports, Tsarnaev is in no condition to understand the Miranda warning, let alone answer questions. If true, Mirandizing now would be a waste of time.

[BjornF16]

Ive been a Delegate at the GOP Convention back in 2004 (back when I believed in them), ive been a Chamber Director/Treasurer, I was a theater Director and President.
I'm a member of the NRA, I have hosted events for Georgia Mayors. Theres more but I think ive made my point, im not bragging I just wanted you to know I put my money and my time where my mouth is.

You missed my statement:

I'm not challenging you, just asking the horde in general: "What are you doing about it?"

[Deer Hunter]

10-4, I took no offense I just want you to know i'm doing my part.