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thoughts while deer hunting
#1
I was sitting in a deer stand this morning and I got to thinking. And, I should probably apologize in advance for this thread but I have been hanging out here (electronically) for the last couple of months and I have learned a great deal from the other members of the forum. So, based on some of the comments I have seen pop up randomly in other threads, I wanted to offer an opinion.

We have just passed thru a polarizing election and our public discourse has become frighteningly rancorous. We've all heard Ted Nugent's comments and, agree or disagree with his politics, we all know that his words and his tone are a sign of our times.

So here's a comment from the other side. The folks on this forum seem to be honorable and fair-minded. But we don't all agree about the meaning of the last election. Some of us love the out-of-doors, relish the hunt, and passionately enjoy shooting sports -- and still voted for the President. Even some of us who own (multiple) AR's.

This isn't a post about politics; it is a plea for civility. I have noticed that this forum is more even-handed than many of the other groups on similar topics. That's one reason I enjoy it so much. So, as one of those on the other side of the fence, I am hoping that we here (and our entire nation) can continue to work together to find our way out of the dark times in which we live.

We have too much in common to let our differences tear us apart.

When my father was a boy, not yet old enough to vote, he turned his hand from the plow and picked up an M-1 when Japanese bombs rained death on an Hawaiian harbor. I was nearing 40 when our nation was attacked 10 years ago but, in my turn, I set aside the tools of my craft and took my place along the ramparts.

And when I did I swore the same oath that many of you haven sworn, the same oath the president will take for a second time in a few weeks: to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Unique among the nations of the world, I believe, we swear allegiance -- not to the government, not to the people, not even to Liberty and Freedom, but to the Law itself.

It is our love for the Law that has made us great; it is our love for each other that has made us strong. One election, one administration, cannot undo four centuries of shared experience.

Even when we disagree, let us not question each other's love of country; let us not doubt the patriotism of those on the opposite side of the aisle. Let us not forget that Sen. McGovern earned the Distinguished Flying Cross for 35 bombing missions over Europe. Mr. Nugent is incorrect: those who differ from us are not "pimps, whores, & welfare brats," they are our neighbors, our fellow citizens, and our family.

A century and a half past, another marginally popular president delivered his second inaugural to a divided nation. His words should guide us all in the coming years, not least because he spoke those words just thirty leagues and as many months from where the creek in Sharpsburg ran red with American blood.

“With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”

Those words define Leadership. Leadership crowned by victory - victory tempered by humility and ennobled by compassion. It is leadership that needed now – leadership from both sides of the aisle: leadership from our elected representatives, and from our people themselves. The success of our government is the success of the nation, and the hope of a better future for our children.

My grandfather's grandfather fought in the Army of Northern Virginia and lost his right arm at Ft. Stevens. I pray that the Blue and the Red will never surrender to the madness that nearly destroyed the Blue and the Gray.

I hope I don't get expelled from the Horde for this post, but healing has got to start somewhere.
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#2
Y85 Wrote:Unique among the nations of the world, I believe, we swear allegiance -- not to the government, not to the people, not even to Liberty and Freedom, but to the Law itself.

It is our love for the Law that has made us great; it is our love for each other that has made us strong. One election, one administration, cannot undo four centuries of shared experience.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



When they start to infringe, that is when THEY are violating the law.
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#3
Let's keep this about hunting. This is a technical discussion forum. Whenever we have veered off that, it has distracted form the focus of the site, which is geared towards helpful information about the 6.5 Grendel. That may be one of the main reasons why people are civil here, because things spiral out of hand when opened up to why we stupid yanks don't have NHS, the Founding Fathers didn't forsee XYZ, anything Obama-related, etc.

None of those conversations are really appropriate for this forum, as passionate as I am about them. I've had family members raped, gunned-down, and scarred by the Totalitarian Regimes of Josef Stalin and Adolph Hitler, so my concerns about these issues are not from a theoretical perspective insulated by the fairy tale lifestyle we enjoy here in the US. I can and have debated them extensively before here, and I had the impression that those discussions were not really beneficial to the site.

I no longer live in my State of Birth or hometown because the rule of law was trampled into history with regard to firearms ownership.
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#4
Understood - just sent u a PM.
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#5
I dont disagree with your wanting civility however one thing i might point out to you is Pres Obama within 3 hrs being President re elected contacted the UN and gave his full support for the UN weapons ban. 2-3 days later Sen Feinstien reintroduced the Bill Clinton Assault weapons ban bill on the Senate with one little change. No grandfathering law, turn in your rifles and magazines. I hope you didnt support that.
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#6
Y85,
Nicely stated, I agree Congress needs to work together to fix our nations problems, I don't care who is in the White House. That said we should keep this forum about the Grendel and how it performs.
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#7
We should all change to the 6.5 Grendel because a better Ballistic Coefficient, Range, and, Energy is a change we all can believe in.



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#8
Absolutely - speaking from the Left, I support the Grendel initiative as proposed by the gentleman from Kentucky
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#9
lol
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#10
What I realized a while ago is that there are forum members from many different walks of life, who come here to get good information about things related to the Grendel. There are people from Europe, Australia, and all over the US. Rednecks, Physician's Assistants, engineers, Vietnam Veterans, Gulf War Veterans, Cold War Veterans, OIF Veterans, IT designers, NRA High Power competitors, accomplished hunters, dive captains, machinists, assembly workers, marketing agents, computer geeks, heart surgeons, spinal surgeons, active duty Marines/Army/Air Force/Navy, college professors, teachers, and so on.

I would guess all feel strongly about their allegiance to their Nation, while being responsible firearm owners who are enthused about the Grendel, AR15's, and related topics of a technical nature where all can share and help each other out. The politics side will just end up dividing us if we delve into it. There are political discussion forums where this type of debate is welcome and appropriate, but while I am guilty myself, it isn't here.
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#11
Agreed - let's put this thread to sleep.
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