Israel and guns

[biodsl]

I'm in a state of shock over the lack of arms of the citizenry of Israel. My impression is that in the 80's, all citizens of Israel were encouraged to carry pistols. What the hell happened?

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/horse-...ownership/

It's hard to back up the motto "Never Again!" when you disarm your own people.

[grayfox]

Marxist/leftist sympathizers are not restricted to just our country...
they are everywhere, like certain bugs.
that's 40 yrs ago.

[LR1955]

If anything supports a armed populace, it is the current situation in Israel.

I am positive their socialist government kept telling the people that the IDF would protect them.

Guess not.

It is up to them as a citizenry to force their government to allow more access to firearms.

LR-55

[montana]

Call it the normalcy bias, mass self delusion or just plain insanity, I will never understand the unbelievable way people subject themselves to self extermination..You would think a people who were literally put into extermination camps would have understood the vital importance of personal self defense, yet only 2 percent of Israeli citizens own a firearm..

Our nation has let in millions of military aged, anti American foreigners without a second thought..Rhodesia and South Africa are good examples of once civilized, productive, thriving society's that were destroyed by leftist internal political forces..In my own town, I have seen leftist destroy the very fabric of sanity by the support of imported left wing loons that defy even the basics of common sense..

Get ready for a bumpy wild ride because it is not going to get any better.. The one ace up our sleeve is the 2ndA..

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/10/calling..._CAMPAIGN)

[LR1955]

Call it the normalcy bias, mass self delusion or just plain insanity, I will never understand the unbelievable way people subject themselves to self extermination..You would think a people who were literally put into extermination camps would have understood the vital importance of personal self defense, yet only 2 percent of Israeli citizens own a firearm..

Our nation has let in millions of military aged, anti American foreigners without a second thought..Rhodesia and South Africa are good examples of once civilized, productive, thriving society's that were destroyed by leftist internal political forces..In my own town, I have seen leftist destroy the very fabric of sanity by the support of imported left wing loons that defy even the basics of common sense..

Get ready for a bumpy wild ride because it is not going to get any better.. The one ace up our sleeve is the 2ndA..

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/10/calling..._CAMPAIGN)

Just took a look and there is a groundswell of people demanding of their government easier access to firearms.

As it stands, private ownership of a firearm is restricted to people who can prove they need the protection. They are allowed a pistol and no more than fifty rounds of ammo.

Boy, their government sure protected them!

Yo -- how come I don't see our (US) CIA, DIA, and NSA directors apprenticing at a McDonalds.

LR55

[montana]

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Yo -- how come I don't see our (US) CIA, DIA, and NSA directors apprenticing at a McDonalds.

LR55

The reason this stupidity continues is because of intellectual smooth brain voters like this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsd9Gq8P738

In the mean time this is what is happening at the US border..I thought we were fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq to fight these low lives on their soil and not ours.. Elections have consequences..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjP55ooeW1Q

[LRRPF52]

Notice that in Israel’s too-late reaction to this, there still is a lengthy and cumbersome bureaucratic process survivors have to go through to beg and gain permission to defend themselves.

Any government that asserts that it has the authority to grant or deny the people’s right to self-preservation and defense of their families, is an invalid form of government.

In this case, hundreds of defenseless people were murdered and captured, to include infants, toddlers, women, and elderly.

We also have a Biden-occupied White House that has given billions to Iran and the PLO, with their lead Iran guy under investigation by the FBI for espionage.

It’s basically Obama WH 2.0 with Valerie Jarrett (born in Iran because her father, a Soviet asset, was under investigation for espionage and was tipped-off by high-level moles in the intel community and fled to Iran).

We have traitors in government giving billions of USD to known state-sponsors of terrorism.

Biden was also part of the Fast & Furious scandal where the Obama DOJ ensnared FFLs into allowing sales to cartel straw-buyers they normally would not have even allowed to fill out a 4473.

These traitors and their actions have pretty extreme consequences for us and innocent people abroad. The thousands of known terrorists on watch lists flowing over our Southern border now have templates from which to operate demonstrated by Hamas.

[Double Naught Spy]

As of December 2022, Israel was teh 5th safest country in the world.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-724216

Here is an interesting video from a couple of years ago on gun ownership in Israel...
[video=youtube;FNfvARxp1FM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfvARxp1FM&t=514s[/video]

[montana]

As of December 2022, Israel was teh 5th safest country in the world.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-724216

Here is an interesting video from a couple of years ago on gun ownership in Israel...
[video=youtube;FNfvARxp1FM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfvARxp1FM&t=514s[/video]

I'm sure that was comforting to the drunk/drugged out party goers, women of all ages, parents of infants and home owners right before they were all slaughtered, burned alive, beheaded and kidnapped for gang rapes across the border..

Being safe is relative to the situation and moment.. Wait long enough and the most civilized safe place on Earth will become extremely dangerous..

[Double Naught Spy]

Being safe is relative to the moment, but when it comes to the Gaza strip, political, military, and terrorist conflict has been the norm for the last 75 years, not that the region hasn't been in repeated conflicts for centuries.

I would liken it to living at the bottom of an active volcano. You are safe except when it is erupting and you know from past experience that more eruptions are coming.

Given how hard Israel has fought for the region and given the amount of conflict that has occurred right there historically, you would think security would be better, that they would want their people armed given. Apparently not.

[dammitman]

i doubt any country in recorded history was ever been taken over that the overwhelming majority of the citizenry was armed,,,,, can be found,,,,,

[just_john]

When I got my original CHL ( I'm on my 4th renewal ) our instructor was an ex-Secret Service guy. And, like all the rest of the instructors, he had to go thru several days of training at the DPS training center. But, one of the things he saud early on was that they were told that the State of Texas wanted to arm as many people as possible because the state knew that there weren't enough cetified LE's in the whole state to head off a full offensive or a coordinated offensive by one or more of the cartels. And it would take all hands on deck to stop 'em. We just witnessed the greatest possible example of how true that could be.

[Double Naught Spy]

When I got my original CHL ( I'm on my 4th renewal ) our instructor was an ex-Secret Service guy. And, like all the rest of the instructors, he had to go thru several days of training at the DPS training center. But, one of the things he saud early on was that they were told that the State of Texas wanted to arm as many people as possible because the state knew that there weren't enough cetified LE's in the whole state to head off a full offensive or a coordinated offensive by one or more of the cartels. And it would take all hands on deck to stop 'em. We just witnessed the greatest possible example of how true that could be.

You mean we just witnessed the greatest possible example, again? Same thing with the war in the Ukraine.

The famous liberal George Takei noted at the start of that war how 20 million American AR15s sure could be put to use over there, helping those poor Ukranian people. https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1...18?lang=en

Of course, as several people pointed out, we have the 2nd Amendment just in case something like that happens, which is why we are not shipping all of our civilian owned AR15s to some other country.

None of these are one-offs. This is an oft-repeated lesson. Few countries seem to learn it. The governments typically fear their own people more than external threats. Ukraine had gun ownership, but he right to carry with nearly nil. They had to sign emergency declaration to let their citizens arm themselves in public against the threat of Russia and they brought out some ancient and bizarre guns in the process.

[SDW]

Here's one kibbutz that did things right....


[video=youtube_share;d5B9PYUHCBw]https://youtu.be/d5B9PYUHCBw[/video]

[biodsl]

Here's one kibbutz that did things right....

Yes. Here's the Wall Street Journal story. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/is...malertNEWS