Titanium Suppressor Recommendations

[BluntForceTrauma]

Just recently had recommended to me a titanium suppressor by a small company I'd never heard of: Diligent Defense. Prices are great and reviews seem solid.

I've got the heavy pig Dead Air Sandman-S — which is perfectly fine for what it is — but want something at half the weight in titanium. DA has the Nomad Ti, but it's $1100 and the Diligent was $750.

Makes me wonder if there are other titanium suppressors out there I've never heard of?

[LRRPF52]

TBAC Ultra series (Ultra 5 G2 is 6oz, Ultra 7G2 is 8oz)
TBAC Dominus Hard Use (Dominus-K-SR is 10oz, Dominus-SR is 12.5oz)

SF SOCOM762-Ti2 (11oz)

Q Trash Panda (11.8oz)
Q JUMBO SHRIMP (9.2oz)

Gunwerks 6IX+ Ti (7.2oz)

What barrel lengths are you wanting to suppress? Ultra 5 Gen 2 is the one to beat for weight, but an Ultra 7 Gen 2 will be more quiet on the 12” Grendels. Ultra 5 on 18” and longer Grendels is really quiet. On a 20”, it sounds like Hollywood to me when I was right next to the muzzle.

[Happy2Shoot]

https://www.silencershop.com/

Great place to window shop.

https://pewscience.com/

$8/month for silencer dB ratings and rankings based on an Army algorithm.

[Happy2Shoot]

To me weight is #1, sound is #2 (stll need ear plugs for supers), durability is a distant #3 (i dont have a machinegun) . Price is price, but it really is a lifetime purchase you will most likely never sell it.

[LRRPF52]

To me weight is #1, sound is #2 (stll need ear plugs for supers), durability is a distant #3 (i dont have a machinegun) . Price is price, but it really is a lifetime purchase you will most likely never sell it.

Yup. Every time I pick up a blaster with a heavy stainless or inconel can on the end of it, I say, “Eeewwww.” to myself.

The TBAC cans really set the bar high for weight, sound reduction, and minimal POI shift.

The Ultra Gen 2s are even lighter and quieter than the Gen 1s.

[sundowner]

I have a banish from silencer central and can shoot it without ear protection , and it is titanium .

https://www.silencercentral.com/

[Klem]

I have a banish from silencer central and can shoot it without ear protection , and it is titanium .

https://www.silencercentral.com/

Sundowner,

Be careful with your ears, no high-power centrefire suppressor is hearing safe.

[sundowner]

I know Klem , that was one time I left the muffs in the car only fired 3 rounds , if I have the muffs on all I hear is the sonic rebound off the backstop bream .

[LRRPF52]

I just saw a sale for TBAC Ultra 5 Gen II at our local Scheel’s for $799.

That’s a smoking’ deal.

[DeNinny]

I have a Banish 30 too. It's on my grendel, and my other two ARs have Banish 223s. Although I paid list price for each, I only had to pay for one tax stamp. It was a special offer from Silencer Central last October.

All are titanium and very light. In 30 cal, the other options offered are the Banish 30 Gold and the Backcountry.

If it matters, they are also serviceable. I can get them nearly clean as new with just dishwashing detergent, warm water, and a toothbrush.

I am enjoying them all. I have not shot them without ear plugs, but they are for sure quieter and the recoil is minimal.

Also I did not have to change anything like the gas block or buffer weights or springs. There is more gas blowback with them, but all ARs still cycle without issues.

[Happy2Shoot]

@BluntForceTrauma

What did you decide?

[MachV]

I run a Bannish 30 and Gemtec one, they both get it done as far as suppression with the Bannish being lighter. They both tipped over the thousand $ mark.
The Bannish will not work on T3 Tikka in the 7" configuration, point of impact is more than the scope can adjust for.
My hunting partner runs 3 TBAC, altra 9, altra 7 and a Dominous. Wish I would have went that route as they are worth the extra $ in all respects!
One thing to consider is the mounting system. Quick detatch is nice but not universal and dirrect thread seams to be a touch more accurate?

[Klem]

The Bannish will not work on T3 Tikka in the 7" configuration, point of impact is more than the scope can adjust for.

Mach,

What you say here is intriguing. What exactly do you mean?

Are you saying all the shots go in a tight group but in a particular direction outside the scopes adjustment travel?
Is the suppressor group size roughly the same as when the suppressor is off?
What is the muzzle thread on your Tikka-3?

[Happy2Shoot]

I've wondered about this. How much deflection can a barrel take before it becomes unmanageable? I had assumed if you hang a 22oz suppressor off the end of a 26" pencil profile barrel if could be a problem. In for the details of this situation!

[DeNinny]

I've wondered about this. How much deflection can a barrel take before it becomes unmanageable? I had assumed if you hang a 22oz suppressor off the end of a 26" pencil profile barrel if could be a problem. In for the details of this situation!

My three Banish suppressors had 1"-3" POI shifts at 100 yds. All of them were pretty much straight down which is aligned with the theory that the added weight is bending the barrels downward.

To actually calculate this exactly is a nightmare math problem, but one can get a relative ("first order of magnitude") understanding by just knowing the relative barrel size and weight differences. For example, if a 16" pencil barrel is half the weight of a 16" bull barrel, as a first approximation you can expect that the same weight suppressor would cause a POI shift on the pencil barrel roughly twice as far as the same suppressor on the bull barrel. This is NOT exact and only a "first order" approximation.

[Klem]

Pencil barrels wont be bending from the weight of a suppressor, at least not noticeable in group shift at 100. More likely barrel jump on recoil being less due to the extra weight forward.

As for how much deflection a barrel can take - a fair bit. The Germans used bent barrels attachments for shooting round corners and over the top of trenches, called the Krummlauf.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krummlauf#..._StG44.jpg

[DeNinny]

Pencil barrels wont be bending from the weight of a suppressor, at least not noticeable in group shift at 100. More likely barrel jump on recoil being less due to the extra weight forward.

As for how much deflection a barrel can take - a fair bit. The Germans used bent barrels attachments for shooting round corners and over the top of trenches, called the Krummlauf.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krummlauf#..._StG44.jpg

I understand regarding barrel jump. And for sure steel can take a lot of temporary deformation. I'm just saying that a pencil barrel will be impacted more by a suppressor, relatively speaking, as compared to a heavier barrel. Same goes for how one impacts barrel jump too. (The same also goes for how different a bent pencil barrel would shoot around a corner too, as compared to a heavier one.)

Edit: Also wanted to say that I'm not fully attributing all the POI shift from the literal bend of the barrel. There are other physics with and without a suppressor at play for sure. Aerodynamics and barrel whip differences are at play too!

[Klem]

I agree, it's not the bending of the barrel at all, and the difference between pencil and thicker barrels is overrated in an AR. Pencil's certainly get warm and groups string a bit. but they don't bend. And we all know there are a couple inches of predictable POI shift between suppressor on, and off. But, a shift outside the scopes elevation and windage range is unusual, and concerning. Maybe the axes of the can and barrel are not on the same plane - Almost, but not quite a baffle strike. Just have to wait for more info from MachV.

[DeNinny]

@Klem I promise you there is bend on a metal (or any solid material) as long as there is a force applied to it. The math is analogous to 'Hooke's Law' which defines how a spring compresses or elongates temporarily. The math of it is absolute.

But to your point, it's possible that it is of low overall significance compared to other factors. As an engineer just don't discount anything until I have numbers to evaluate in the form of calculation or measurement data from a design of experiments where all the possible variables are evaluated.

And I totally agree that a scope should be able to compensate for the POI shift. Your point of them slightly off axis is totally possible. I could see it impacting the aerodynamics of the bullet as it (and the gas) passes through the actual suppressor. This could easily change the trajectory and possibly the spin of the bullet.

[LRRPF52]

At the last DM course, a guy had 8” vertical POI shift with suppressor attached, windage still was dead-on.

Couldn’t dial-up due to his zero stop. I just handed him my 12” Grendel as a loaner due to time constraints.