Well.. that just happened. ATF classification ruling that ArmBrace = SBR

[LRRPF52]

Lots of Hollywood elitists have properties in Montana and throw a lot of weight behind elections to get Senators into power.

But more importantly, the Soviets/Russians have helped over 400 US politicians get elected with their front group, Council for a Livable World. Guess whose name is on their list?

Our Legacy in Congress: Who We’ve Helped Elect - Council for a Livable World

Montana

Max Baucus
John Melcher
Lee Metcalf
Jon Tester *
John Walsh

Now look at all the other names and see the pattern. Their main mandates are to Sign pro-Soviet/Russian treaties. Delay, cancel, and malign US defense programs while stealing and transferring as many technical secrets from those programs. Reduce and destroy US nuclear weapons (SALT I, SALT II, etc.). Disarm the US internally. Promote degeneracy, anti-American values, erosion of the family, and degradation of education.


CFALW was started by Szilard, who built the first experimental nuclear reactor at University of Chicago. He was also passing nuclear technical data to the Soviets with the FBI building a case on him, so the Soviets told him to switch gears into “political activism” as part of their Active Measures programs against the West.

CFALW’s main angle at first was using Soviet influence to steer elections in favor of their Senatorial candidates in States with small populations beginning in 1962, where their money (raised in the US, Rubles were worthless) would have far more effect. The more moles they got into the Senate, the more they could spread and get additional Senators and House members from other States.

For example, there was a self-described pedophile in 1972 who came out of nowhere and voila, Senator from Delaware! Another with a similar lacking political history in Illinois jumped into the Senate when they pulled the divorce history of his opponent and magic, he became a Senator too. What are the odds these 2 Soviet moles would end up serving as President and Vice President together, both helped into the Senate by Council for a Livable World?

If you ever wondered why Biden was matched with Obama, now you know. It never made any sense from a US domestic political perspective. Imagine trying to sell this to a Democrat:

One one hand, you had an openly-racist gaffe machine fraud from Delaware who, as part of his initial days in the Senate, co-sponsored segregationist legislation drafted by KKK Grand Masters Senators from the Deep South, and was laughed out of the Democrat Primaries in 1988 for plagiarism and his silly speeches. On the other hand, you had a black Senator from Illinois who had a career of racial agitation and Soviet Agitprop activities behind him, who worked for a CIA financial intelligence shell company after he graduated Columbia.

Where was the common ground? Both CFALW moles working for the Soviets/Russians.

This is what Jon Tester shares with Biden, Obama, Feinstein, Fetterman, Pelosi, Cory Booker, Hickenlooper, Micheal Bennet, Chris Murphy, Tom Carper, Chris Coons, Jon Ossof, Tammy Duckworth, Dick Durbin, Angus King, Ben Cardin, Chris Van Hollen, Edward Markey, Elizabeth Warren, Debbie Stabenow, Amy Klobuchar, Tina Smith, Catherine Cortez Masto, Jacky Rosen, Charles Schumer, Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Peter Welch, Tim Kaine and many others on their list.

At a minimum, these people were all helped into office and continue to receive campaign finances and assistance from CFALW. Notice how they all vote in a block on these issues?

First thing I check on a candidate is if they have support from Council for a Livable World. If so, then I know who is driving their platform and how they will vote.

Biden openly praises them for helping him get elected into the Senate and steering his policies, especially on Strategic Nuclear treaties where the US agreed to destroy most of our tactical nukes while the Russians laughed.

Just randomly copy any of their names and add “gun policy” to the end of it and search. Here are the phrases that have popped up with all of the random names from the list so far:

"Common sense gun laws”, “Bipartisan gun control”, “Expanded background checks”, “Assault weapons ban”, “Universal Background checks”, “red flag laws”, “closing the gun show loophole”. “Federal increase age of purchase to 21”, “high capacity magazine bans”, “permanently ban bumps stocks”, “Votes for Historic gun reform and mental health legislation”, "Shaheen Joins Group of Senators to Reintroduce Legislation to Combat Use of Dangerous Gun Conversion Devices”, "Clarification of Definition of Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer”, "Under 21 Enhanced Review Process”, "Support for State Crisis Intervention Orders”, “Bipartisan gun violence bill”, “fought for tough gun control”....etc.

I’m just going down the list of names and putting “gun control policy” in front of the name, then looking at search results in the news and their websites.

These are not our friends.

[montana]

Lots of Hollywood elitists have properties in Montana and throw a lot of weight behind elections to get Senators into power.

But more importantly, the Soviets/Russians have helped over 400 US politicians get elected with their front group, Council for a Livable World. Guess whose name is on their list?

Our Legacy in Congress: Who We’ve Helped Elect - Council for a Livable World



Now look at all the other names and see the pattern. Their main mandates are to Sign pro-Soviet/Russian treaties. Delay, cancel, and malign US defense programs while stealing and transferring as many technical secrets from those programs. Reduce and destroy US nuclear weapons (SALT I, SALT II, etc.). Disarm the US internally. Promote degeneracy, anti-American values, erosion of the family, and degradation of education.


CFALW was started by Szilard, who built the first experimental nuclear reactor at University of Chicago. He was also passing nuclear technical data to the Soviets with the FBI building a case on him, so the Soviets told him to switch gears into “political activism” as part of their Active Measures programs against the West.

CFALW’s main angle at first was using Soviet influence to steer elections in favor of their Senatorial candidates in States with small populations beginning in 1962, where their money (raised in the US, Rubles were worthless) would have far more effect. The more moles they got into the Senate, the more they could spread and get additional Senators and House members from other States.

For example, there was a self-described pedophile in 1972 who came out of nowhere and voila, Senator from Delaware! Another with a similar lacking political history in Illinois jumped into the Senate when they pulled the divorce history of his opponent and magic, he became a Senator too. What are the odds these 2 Soviet moles would end up serving as President and Vice President together, both helped into the Senate by Council for a Livable World?

If you ever wondered why Biden was matched with Obama, now you know. It never made any sense from a US domestic political perspective. Imagine trying to sell this to a Democrat:

One one hand, you had an openly-racist gaffe machine fraud from Delaware who, as part of his initial days in the Senate, co-sponsored segregationist legislation drafted by KKK Grand Masters Senators from the Deep South, and was laughed out of the Democrat Primaries in 1988 for plagiarism and his silly speeches. On the other hand, you had a black Senator from Illinois who had a career of racial agitation and Soviet Agitprop activities behind him, who worked for a CIA financial intelligence shell company after he graduated Columbia.

Where was the common ground? Both CFALW moles working for the Soviets/Russians.

This is what Jon Tester shares with Biden, Obama, Feinstein, Fetterman, Pelosi, Cory Booker, Hickenlooper, Micheal Bennet, Chris Murphy, Tom Carper, Chris Coons, Jon Ossof, Tammy Duckworth, Dick Durbin, Angus King, Ben Cardin, Chris Van Hollen, Edward Markey, Elizabeth Warren, Debbie Stabenow, Amy Klobuchar, Tina Smith, Catherine Cortez Masto, Jacky Rosen, Charles Schumer, Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Peter Welch, Tim Kaine and many others on their list.

At a minimum, these people were all helped into office and continue to receive campaign finances and assistance from CFALW. Notice how they all vote in a block on these issues?

First thing I check on a candidate is if they have support from Council for a Livable World. If so, then I know who is driving their platform and how they will vote.

Biden openly praises them for helping him get elected into the Senate and steering his policies, especially on Strategic Nuclear treaties where the US agreed to destroy most of our tactical nukes while the Russians laughed.

Just randomly copy any of their names and add “gun policy” to the end of it and search. Here are the phrases that have popped up with all of the random names from the list so far:

"Common sense gun laws”, “Bipartisan gun control”, “Expanded background checks”, “Assault weapons ban”, “Universal Background checks”, “red flag laws”, “closing the gun show loophole”. “Federal increase age of purchase to 21”, “high capacity magazine bans”, “permanently ban bumps stocks”, “Votes for Historic gun reform and mental health legislation”, "Shaheen Joins Group of Senators to Reintroduce Legislation to Combat Use of Dangerous Gun Conversion Devices”, "Clarification of Definition of Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer”, "Under 21 Enhanced Review Process”, "Support for State Crisis Intervention Orders”, “Bipartisan gun violence bill”, “fought for tough gun control”....etc.

I’m just going down the list of names and putting “gun control policy” in front of the name, then looking at search results in the news and their websites.

These are not our friends.

Very accurate, thanks for sharing..The corruption is not even questionable anymore..Any person who thinks this nation has not been taken over is truly hypnotized and has lost any ability to think..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OiI5IC43EE

[lazyengineer]

More from the Judge's ruling! Excellent (and about time!!!) reasoning.

... Judge O’Connor [also] puts ATF on the spot by rejecting the government’s argument that [since] it has previously taken action against a firearm component, thus it has regulatory authority over firearm parts. But the judge observes, “If these administrative records show, as Defendants contend, that ATF has previously regulated components that are not yet frames or receivers but could readily be converted into such items, then the historical practice does nothing more than confirm that the agency has, perhaps in multiple specific instances over several decades, exceeded the lawful bounds of its statutory jurisdiction. That the agency may have historically acted ultra vires [beyond its authority] does not convince the Court it should be permitted to continue the practice.”

I'm surprised they even tried to play that card. What the ATF was saying, is that their past enforcement practices define what is appropriate interpretation of the legal aspects of something. So, awkward, shall we apply that to the Braced pistol = SBR, conversation? Indeed, I'm one of the few people who concedes we are going to lose the brace conversation, since, as the judge says, past enforcement practice doesn't actually define the law.

But hold on now - if the ATF lawyers suggest that indeed that's how it's supposed to work...

[LRRPF52]

ATF’s weak arguments have been getting destroyed in the courts so I don’t concede anything.

With the sheer volume of pistol-braced firearms and the existence of Personal Defense Weapons and pistol-carbines dating back at least to the late 1800s, there isn’t a historical context from which they can claim any precedent for infringements in their favor.

[Hansel&Grendel]

As a FFL 07, since my inventory and personal firearms are subject to ATF inspection upon demand, along with the absence of Judicial Relief outside the 5th Circuit, I did the eform1 filing for a personal pistol braced AR now deemed a SBR pursuant to the new ATF Rule. All fields were completed as verified by the Green check mark prior to final submission. When I received my interim PDF copy, I saw that the yes/no questions were blank even though I know that I filled them in.

I called ATF NFA and was told that there was a glitch that left certain fields blank on my PDF copy but to rest assured that all the fields were properly completed with the online filing with ATF. The glitch was due to programming errors caused by entering my FFL number that somehow confused the system. So, I relied on that assurance pending final SBR approval.

A couple days ago I received email notification that my eform1 registration was denied because the yes/no questions were blank. I was furious. Long story short, even though I have a control number for my eform1 submission, I was told by ATF that I would have to refile a PAPER submission along with another set of fingerprints and a photo. In other words, start all over again ... with the assurance that I would still be given the tax stamp waiver as well as the marking adoption/waiver.

This could take months or up to a year to rectify. ATF again reiterated that I did everything correctly and that the "systems error" disadvantaged several other FFLs as well. To add insult to injury, I was told to separate the upper and lower as well as disassemble the lower.

I'll eventually self-revoke my FFL so that I won't have to deal with the clown show any longer. Eight years of George W. and two years of Trump resulted in no action to change firearms legislation (NFA/GCA) and ATF rulings. No wonder people believe that it's a Uni-Party, i.e., there are no Democrats or Republicans.

[LRRPF52]

As a FFL 07, since my inventory and personal firearms are subject to ATF inspection upon demand, along with the absence of Judicial Relief outside the 5th Circuit, I did the eform1 filing for a personal pistol braced AR now deemed a SBR pursuant to the new ATF Rule. All fields were completed as verified by the Green check mark prior to final submission. When I received my interim PDF copy, I saw that the yes/no questions were blank even though I know that I filled them in.

I called ATF NFA and was told that there was a glitch that left certain fields blank on my PDF copy but to rest assured that all the fields were properly completed with the online filing with ATF. The glitch was due to programming errors caused by entering my FFL number that somehow confused the system. So, I relied on that assurance pending final SBR approval.

A couple days ago I received email notification that my eform1 registration was denied because the yes/no questions were blank. I was furious. Long story short, even though I have a control number for my eform1 submission, I was told by ATF that I would have to refile a PAPER submission along with another set of fingerprints and a photo. In other words, start all over again ... with the assurance that I would still be given the tax stamp waiver as well as the marking adoption/waiver.

This could take months or up to a year to rectify. ATF again reiterated that I did everything correctly and that the "systems error" disadvantaged several other FFLs as well. To add insult to injury, I was told to separate the upper and lower as well as disassemble the lower.

I'll eventually self-revoke my FFL so that I won't have to deal with the clown show any longer. Eight years of George W. and two years of Trump resulted in no action to change firearms legislation (NFA/GCA) and ATF rulings. No wonder people believe that it's a Uni-Party, i.e., there are no Democrats or Republicans.

I think that’s their goal though, to make things so bureaucratically-punitive for FFLs so they can force or coerce as many FFLs into submission with surrendering and ceasing business.

This is one of many problems with the FFL infringement system. It demands under color of law that if you want to be in the business of selling firearms, you must enter into a conspiracy to defraud the people of their Constitutionally-mandated rights, act in a para-Law Enforcement capacity as a pre-crime screener of every citizen who wishes to exercise their rights, and then be subject to criminal prosecution or license revocation if you make the slightest clerical error.

None of it is Constitutional even in the slightest.

[LRRPF52]

FFLs need to band together and file a class action lawsuit against ATF, especially those FFLs who have been actively harmed by this criminal gaggle of organized criminals wearing badges.

[jasper2408]

FFLs need to band together and file a class action lawsuit against ATF, especially those FFLs who have been actively harmed by this criminal gaggle of organized criminals wearing badges.

The GOA is doing just that.

https://www.gunowners.org/goa-is-taking-...urt-again/

[LRRPF52]

[video=youtube_share;_jOkCf_pfkg]https://youtu.be/_jOkCf_pfkg[/video]

[biodsl]

I'll be building my Six Five Outfitters barreled pistol this weekend.

[Hansel&Grendel]

Outstanding. Let's hope that the breadth of the District Court Order per remanding by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals goes outside the 5th Circuit, i.e., nationwide.

[LRRPF52]

Now is a great time to stack-on some more lawsuits against ATF, hitting them with different angles on suppressors and PDW-length firearms infringements.

Get the FFLs who have been harmed going full-court-press with their suits.

Get the people who have been harmed with onerous Form 1 and 4 paperwork taxation on their rights filing suits over SBR and Silencer BS.

Get those who want to deal in guns but don’t want to enter into a criminal conspiracy with the ATF to defraud people of their rights filing suit.

Get those of us who have to look at a labyrinthine set of State infringements determining if we can move to or accept work in States that don’t follow the Constitution filing suit.

Think about how many military and Federal employees have been deprived of their rights when they live in a free State, then get assignment to an unconstitutional State that doesn’t allow them to possess their property that is specifically called out in the BoR. That’s a huge lawsuit right there that can’t be overcome with any reasonable counter argument.

[dammitman]

Now is a great time to stack-on some more lawsuits against ATF, hitting them with different angles on suppressors and PDW-length firearms infringements.

Get the FFLs who have been harmed going full-court-press with their suits.

Get the people who have been harmed with onerous Form 1 and 4 paperwork taxation on their rights filing suits over SBR and Silencer BS.

Get those who want to deal in guns but don’t want to enter into a criminal conspiracy with the ATF to defraud people of their rights filing suit.

agreed, its time to pour it on againsted them as they do when we arent looking,,,,,we are looking

[LRRPF52]

[video=youtube_share;wFMtU6qHMlo]https://youtu.be/wFMtU6qHMlo?feature=shared[/video]

[grayfox]

We gotta remember what Yogi said,
"It ain't over til it's over."

So today the Federal district court, N. Texas, Reed O'Connor rules, granting injunction against enforcement of the pistol brace rule. I read some of his basis, and it's great reasoning.

See the TTAG article among others. Dateline Today Oct. 3, 2023.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fifth-...v-garland/

"Fifth Circuit Issues Preliminary Injunction Blocking Brace Ban Enforcement Against Plaintiffs in Mock v. Garland," By Dan Zimmerman -October 3, 2023

"The Court finds that Mock, Lewis, and other individual FPC members are threatened with irreparable injuries in the absence of an injunction. The threats to individual FPC members are twofold: (i) sustaining permanent and nonrecoverable costs from their compliance with an unlawfully issued regulation; and (ii) suffering impairment of their fundamental right to keep and bear lawful arms in self-defense. The Court finds that such threats of irreparable harm posed by enforcement of the Final Rule are credible, imminent, and intertwined with one another. …"

[grayfox]

Here's more from that ruling issued earlier today. The emphases are added.

.... Presumptively Protected Conduct section [starting at page 19]:


"The Second Amendment also presumptively protects the FPC members’ proposed course of conduct insofar as it involves “making common, safety-improving modifications to otherwise lawfully bearable arms” for the purpose of enhancing the performance of self-defense. Mock, 75 F.4th at 578, 588 (Willett, J., concurring). The conduct of acquiring, attaching, and maintaining rearward attachments, such as a stabilizing brace, serves to “make the pistol more stable and [thus] the user more accurate.” Id. And as explained earlier, “[a]ccuracy, in turn, promotes safety” in the real-life exercise of armed self-defense. Id. The successful performance of armed self-defense entails not only deterring or neutralizing life-threatening perpetrators, but also preserving innocent life and preventing bodily injury to others as much as possible. Users directly advance these fundamental ends of self-defense when they modify “lawfully bearable pistols” with a “rearward attachment—whether as a brace or a stock.” Id. The increased control and precision to pistol fire materially lowers the probability of potentially lethal misfire and collateral damage, as well as being outmatched by or falling victim to dangerous assailants. Such safety-improving modifications are especially critical for “permit[ting] disabled and weaker persons to fire pistols more easily,” and “more safely and comfortably,” to accomplish a more proficient and exacting self-defense. Id. at 566, 571.


"The history interwoven with the “right of the people to keep and bear Arms,” U.S. CONST. AMEND. II, indicates that the Second Amendment’s text has long incorporated the right of personal gunsmithing, i.e., the right of private individuals to modify or acquire modifications to lawfully bearable firearms so as to increase their accuracy and safety for a more effective exercise of self-defense. For example, in order “[t]o sustain themselves against a large and well-supplied British military throughout the [Revolutionary] war, the Americans relied on gunsmiths, individuals with knowhow from working on their own arms, and Americans who were willing to learn the art of arms manufacturing.” Joseph G.S. Greenlee, The American Tradition of Self-Made Arms, 54 ST. MARY’S L.J. 35, 51 (Apr. 11, 2022) (emphasis added). Analogous to the role that stabilizing braces play for contemporary pistol owners, Founding Era gunsmithing involved modifying lawfully bearable pistols with extended grips and rearward stocks to facilitate greater stability, control, and accuracy in single-handed self-defense fire. ¹? The Court is persuaded upon this record that the Second Amendment’s text and history “presumptively guarantees” Plaintiffs Mock and Lewis the right to modify lawfully bearable pistol arms with rearward stabilizing braces for the purpose of improving the performance attributes necessary to successful armed self-defense. Bruen, 142 S. Ct. at 2135.


"Consequently, the Court finds that the proposed “conduct” of the FPC members—i.e., possessing and using a stabilizing braced pistol for enhanced self-defense capabilities in the home and in public—is “presumptively protect[ed]” by the Second Amendment from the interference of disagreeing restrictions in the Final Rule. Id. at 2129-2130."

[LRRPF52]

It’s beautiful language from a judge that is common sense and logical, not legalese that can’t be understood.

He just fired a warning shot over the bow of the NFA as well by pointing out that gunsmithing is a historical and fundamental right of the people, to include modifying arms to fit and function for them in their defense.

By saying that users advance these fundamental ends of self-defense when they attach braces AND STOCKS as rear devices to promote stability, it just challenged the whole stupid SBR infringement.

My body is ready for the new wave of "Pistol Braces”.

It also isn’t over until the fat lady sings, but I at least foresee an environment where the NFA is basically meaningless in multiple States when it comes to SBRs.

[LRRPF52]

[video=youtube_share;7a5ec1grghk]https://youtu.be/7a5ec1grghk?feature=shared[/video]

[Zeneffect]

I need a whole litany of crap to go down before I can even think about a brace... honestly getting the hell out of this state is seeming more and more ideal. Idaho? Hope they understand that I'm california in license plate only.

[grayfox]

Stay a couple weeks and then you can change over your plates to Free'Murica...
Idaho's a great state, one of our favorites... but a lot of leftie Calif's are moving there also.
Winters can get cold up there.
Watch yore top knot! (~J. Johnson)