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Ammo confusion
#1
Hello Friends, I'm confused on which ammo is best. I thought I studied on which was the best ammo to get so I purchased 11 boxes of AA 123gr. (which I'm hoping doesn't use lead free primers.)

After reading here It's looking like people are mostly using Hornady ammo? Should I get some Hornady ammo too?

Thanks,
-Garik


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#2
The Alexander Arms ammo is premium ammo, the first source of ammo since the introduction of 6.5 Grendel.

The 123gr Lapua Scenar is an excellent target load for shooting at distance due to the high BC of that bullet.

Hornady has been popular due to pricing and quality, but prices have gone up over the past 3 years on everything ammo-related much more than other consumer products.
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#3
Across my 4 Grendels, I get better groups with Alexander Arms Lapua 123 than with Hornady Black.
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#4
Oh okay thanks guys, looks like I'm okay than. Smile

Does anyone know if the AA is lead free or not ?
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#5
I’ve never heard one way or the other but I suspect with the primer shortage the last few years they are not lead free. Alexander Arms is pretty responsive, I suggest you call or email them and ask.
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#6
garikfox Wrote:Oh okay thanks guys, looks like I'm okay than. Smile

Does anyone know if the AA is lead free or not ?

The 123gr Scenar is not lead-free. It’s a cup and core boat tail hollow point bullet with a copper jacket and lead core.
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#7
LRRPF52 Wrote:The 123gr Scenar is not lead-free. It’s a cup and core boat tail hollow point bullet with a copper jacket and lead core.

i think he's asking about if the primers are lead free (original post: "which I'm hoping doesn't use lead free primers.")... I still don't understand why it matters
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#8
Thanks again guys, Yes I want leaded primers. Leaded primers last pretty much forever. Lead free primers seem to last about 10yrs it seems and supposedly the US Military refreshes there stock of lead free ammo every 6 yrs. I'm not for certain but that's what I've been reading.
WC 6mm ARC 18", ATLAS S-ONE, AERO M4E1 LWR, MAGPUL MOE SL, ZEISS Conquest V4 4-16x44mm
CMMG 5.7x28mm 16", AERO X15 LWR, MAGPUL MOE SL, MEOPTA OPTIKA5 2-10x42mm
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garikfox Wrote:Thanks again guys, Yes I want leaded primers. Leaded primers last pretty much forever. Lead free primers seem to last about 10yrs it seems and supposedly the US Military refreshes there stock of lead free ammo every 6 yrs. I'm not for certain but that's what I've been reading.

Garik,

It seems primer composition is commercial proprietary information and largely kept from the public. There are no ingredients on the packaging and they won't tell us. It is an evolving science with the earlier corrosion-causing primer compositions replaced with chemicals that are more barrel friendly. So mercury fulminate replaced by lead styphenate. This affects the imperative to clean guns after shooting, with the old dogma still causing widespread hesitancy to leave a gun uncleaned after firing (the exception being suppressors which are corrosion traps). For several decades now the warnings to clean guns immediately after firing have abated, so fair to say harsh corrosion-causing compounds in primers have been replaced in the West.

As for ammunition life, plenty of examples in the shooting community that WWI and II ammunition is still usable today. As long as the cartridge has been protected from external corrosion. I have some old 303 cartridges which work but have to be careful to clean the gun immediately after firing. I also read single-based propellants decompose less readily than double-based - something to think about if you are a long-term prepper. As for the military getting rid of old stock to maintain its efficacy. It's more like a 'Best before' than a 'Use-by-date'. And turning over old stock would be just as much related to the powder as the primer.

This is an interesting article on the subject.
https://www.bevfitchett.us/chemical-anal...tions.html
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#10
Thought I would just add this tidbit of information about primers that I took from an article in Outdoor Life.

The full article is here if you want to read it:

https://www.outdoorlife.com/cartridge-pr...elopments/

Here is the relative info from the article that I pieced together:


Current primers composition
40% Barium
4% Tetrazene
16% Aluminum, Antimony Sulfide
40% Lead Styphnate

Lead styphnate is the primary explosive in modern primers, while barium nitrate is the oxidizer that adds oxygen to the explosive. Tetrazene is a sensitizer that makes the primer easier to detonate. The remaining elements are fuels.

The specific ingredients in primer compounds vary from one make to another. But the general formulas have remained remarkably stable over the decades, mostly because ammo makers—and, more to the point, their customers—are stubbornly reluctant to tinker with any recipe that deviates from the tried and true.

Above all, primers need to be consistent. If they don’t pop off when they’re hit by a firing pin—no matter how cold the temperature or how dirty and greasy the ignition system—shooters become exceptionally cranky and unforgiving. Igniting the powder charge, even at the cost of other desirable outcomes like accuracy, is the primer’s prime directive.

Despite this conservative bent, primer technology is experiencing a revolution right now. While there’s been plenty of hoopla recently about the newest high-performance bullets, powders, and precision brass, the fourth member of the cartridge quartet has undergone some interesting developments too.



The latest generation of primers has been cooked up by the engineers at Federal Ammunition. The new primer is called Catalyst, and it represents an improvement over traditional primer compounds in several ways.

New Catalyst primer composition
10% Aluminum
20% Nitrocellulose
60% Bismuth Oxide
10% Sensitizers, Fuels, Binders

Like many innovations in ammunition, the development of the Catalyst primer was driven by a request from a large customer. In this case, the U.S. government, both military and law enforcement, wanted a duty-worthy primer that didn’t contain lead or other potentially toxic metals. Federal turned the project over to one of its engineers, Joel Sandstrom, who went on to invent Catalyst.

Catalyst Primer Formula
The aluminum performs two main functions. It makes the explosive nitrocellulose more sensitive, and it helps heat up the bismuth. The “oxide” in bismuth oxide adds oxygen to the reaction, while the remaining 10 percent is a blend of fuels, binders, and sensitizers.

There have been other lead-free primers on the market for decades, but they weren’t viewed as reliable enough for duty ammunition and have been relegated to use in training ammo.

While eliminating lead was a primary requirement of the project, Federal ended up creating a primer that wasn’t just the equivalent of the current lead styphnate mixtures, but one the company says is significantly superior to the older technology. “It is safer to manufacture, and it’s affordable and reliable,” says Drew Goodlin, senior director of technology at Vista Outdoor, the company that owns Federal Ammunition.

One way in which Catalyst improves on current primer technology is that it is more compatible with modern propellants, meaning that it won’t degrade the powder it comes in contact with the way some current primers can. Even better, the Catalyst formula propels more hot, heavy metals, while producing less pressure from gases, into the propellent bed than any other primer system Federal has used—even its vaunted Gold Metal primers.

Though tinkering with existing lines of ammunition that have a long-standing reputation for quality and reliability is generally a no-no—particularly when it comes to primers, which fall under the “if it ain’t broke, don’t you dare mess with it” category—Federal is planning on switching all of its centerfire ammunition—rifle, pistol, and shotgun—to Catalyst primers over the next five years.

This, more than anything, demonstrates the confidence that Federal has in the product. But will consumers be as willing to embrace Catalyst? The fact that various elements of the U.S. government are using ammo with Catalyst lends the new primer tremendous credibility.
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#11
Great info thanks guys!
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