Need Help Choosing a Can

[Harpoon1]

I know almost next to nothing about cans but, am finally jumping in.

Will be dedicated to the Ar10, AR 15 platforms, and switching from 308, Creedmoor, Grendel to 5.56.

Priorities are 1) lightweight 2) small as possible 3) hearing safe

Money is no object. At 62, I could have a chest grabber tomorrow and you can’t take it with you! Want something that is high quality, built to last and works!

My LGS is suggesting the Dead Air Sandman-S as a good option?

I’m all ears.

Let her rip!

[grayfox]

62 is young lol!!!
It's way in my rearview, but I hear ya.
I was looking for the same kind of thing, first off get a 7.62 cal it will also handle the others, but not vice versa.


For light well-constructed and good at reducing the DB, I chose a Tbac ultra-7. thunder beast arms corp.
The ultra 5 is lighter and shorter but also louder, all these tbac's are titanium which makes them light.
I got the thread it onto a muzzle brake kind... not the direct thread - that one's just got a MB installed.
So with the plain style you can get a tbac muzzle brake or even get the Area 419 setup with its 2 adapters.
One goes into the tbac and one goes onto the muzzle, that way you can spin off and on for several barrels (watch out they get hot! when shooting).

you will still want to use some hearing protection, it doesn't "silence" all the way, just reduces down to ~130 db. this is true of all suppressors.
Hope all of your barrels are 5/8-24 thread, that's what you'll want.
the 556 is probably 1/2-28, I read where some guys do use a 1/2-5/8 adapter, since it's a 7.62 can the tolerance stacking of the extra adapter shouldn't be a worry. But I don't use it on my 556's.

[Happy2Shoot]

I know almost next to nothing about cans but, am finally jumping in.

Will be dedicated to the Ar10, AR 15 platforms, and switching from 308, Creedmoor, Grendel to 5.56.

Priorities are

1) lightweight [COLOR="#0000FF"]Pay Extra For Titanium
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2) small as possible 6" to 8" Long Minimum

3) hearing safe Only Look At "At The Ear dB Numbers from Semi-Autos"
Example the Nomad L is 125 dB at the ear on a 308 win bolt gun, BUT 141 dB for at the ear on a 5.56 ar15 at the ear. 5.56 is 16 dB louder than a 308 win!? on a log scal that is 5X louder. So always look at semi-auto super sonic at the ear. Port pop is loud!
Money is no object. At 62, I could have a chest grabber tomorrow and you can’t take it with your! Want something that is high quality, built to last and works!

My LGS is suggesting the Dead Air Sandman-S as a good option? [COLOR="#0000FF"]Dead Air Nomad LTi
[/COLOR]
I’m all ears.

Let he rip!

https://deadairsilencers.com/silencers/nomad-lti/
https://deadairsilencers.com/product/keymo/
https://deadairsilencers.com/product/key...zle-brake/
Dead Air has a great QD muzzle break

Great place to see consistent reviews.
https://silencershop.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/SilencerShop/videos

[Harpoon1]

62 is young lol!!!
It's way in my rearview, but I hear ya.
I was looking for the same kind of thing, first off get a 7.62 cal it will also handle the others, but not vice versa.


For light well-constructed and good at reducing the DB, I chose a Tbac ultra-7. thunder beast arms corp.
The ultra 5 is lighter and shorter but also louder, all these tbac's are titanium which makes them light.
I got the thread it onto a muzzle brake kind... not the direct thread - that one's just got a MB installed.
So with the plain style you can get a tbac muzzle brake or even get the Area 419 setup with its 2 adapters.
One goes into the tbac and one goes onto the muzzle, that way you can spin off and on for several barrels (watch out they get hot! when shooting).

you will still want to use some hearing protection, it doesn't "silence" all the way, just reduces down to ~130 db. this is true of all suppressors.
Hope all of your barrels are 5/8-24 thread, that's what you'll want.
the 556 is probably 1/2-28, I read where some guys do use a 1/2-5/8 adapter, since it's a 7.62 can the tolerance stacking of the extra adapter shouldn't be a worry. But I don't use it on my 556's.

Roger that!

Was thinking the muzzle brake adapter would be a plus, more expensive, having to buy more adapters up front but they do double duty. I considered the 1/2-28 vs 5/8-24 thing but kind of assumed, while the ID is different, the OD would be the same, allowing you to use it across both thread counts. But, IDK?

And, I was thinking “hearing safe” is not the same as “hearing comfortable”…….so, electronic ear pro stilll seems prudent. At least for me!

Appreciate it!

[Harpoon1]

https://deadairsilencers.com/silencers/nomad-lti/
https://deadairsilencers.com/product/keymo/
https://deadairsilencers.com/product/key...zle-brake/
Dead Air has a great QD muzzle break

Great place to see consistent reviews.
https://silencershop.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/SilencerShop/videos

Right on for the specific answers! I like Titanium, I’ll check out!

Thanks!

[grayfox]

Smaller calibers typically have smaller diameter barrels, the 12-28 means 1/2 inch threading diameter, 28 threads per inch.
There are standard minimum acceptable barrel diameters for various threadings that can be done.
the 6-6.5-7.62 calibers typically have a 0.700, 0.800 or so barrel diameter, that's why you use a 5/8 diameter threading and the 24 tpi is the standard threads per inch. The barrel needs enough "shoulder" (thicker than the threading) for the suppressor to snug up to. Quality barrels are done via a single-point, essentially no tolerance thread cut - grade 3 I believe it's called.

For a 556 the normal thread cuts are the 1/2-28, so if you use a 7.62 can probably you would use first, a 1/2-28//5/8-24 adapter, then the normal 5/8 can adapter. Some models of suppressor have the 1/2-28 thread-straight to the can thread (probably around 3/4-1 1/6 or something dia)... in that case you get a 5/8 can adapter/brake and a 1/2-28 adapter/brake, for the 2 kinds of muzzle threads you probably have.
Would also point out that there are some barrels with a less typical 9/16-28 or whatever threading, so double check what you have so you can use the can where you need it.

Area 419 adapter pieces are $40, usually less than the xyz suppressor model brake... so it can save you some money. As a brake, I got to say that the Tbac brake isn't as good a brake as others I have but it works... just that, for brakes, the VG65 series has me spoiled as to effectiveness.

The tbac-ultra 7 is a 7" can, titanium. I'm sure there are other good ones too. I don't get any commissions just recommend what I found to be a really good one.

One more item, never never never use a crush washer with a can!

[Harpoon1]

Smaller calibers typically have smaller diameter barrels, the 12-28 means 1/2 inch threading diameter, 28 threads per inch.
There are standard minimum acceptable barrel diameters for various threadings that can be done.
the 6-6.5-7.62 calibers typically have a 0.700, 0.800 or so barrel diameter, that's why you use a 5/8 diameter threading and the 24 tpi is the standard threads per inch. The barrel needs enough "shoulder" (thicker than the threading) for the suppressor to snug up to. Quality barrels are done via a single-point, essentially no tolerance thread cut - grade 3 I believe it's called.

For a 556 the normal thread cuts are the 1/2-28, so if you use a 7.62 can probably you would use first, a 1/2-28//5/8-24 adapter, then the normal 5/8 can adapter. Some models of suppressor have the 1/2-28 thread-straight to the can thread (probably around 3/4-1 1/6 or something dia)... in that case you get a 5/8 can adapter/brake and a 1/2-28 adapter/brake, for the 2 kinds of muzzle threads you probably have.
Would also point out that there are some barrels with a less typical 9/16-28 or whatever threading, so double check what you have so you can use the can where you need it.

Area 419 adapter pieces are $40, usually less than the xyz suppressor model brake... so it can save you some money. As a brake, I got to say that the Tbac brake isn't as good a brake as others I have but it works... just that, for brakes, the VG65 series has me spoiled as to effectiveness.

The tbac-ultra 7 is a 7" can, titanium. I'm sure there are other good ones too. I don't get any commissions just recommend what I found to be a really good one.

One more item, never never never use a crush washer with a can!

From what I’m seeing, you don’t need to use an “adapter” to move up or down in thread pitch. At least with Dead Air series and the QD mount.

[LRRPF52]

What barrel lengths?

I went with a TBAC Ultra 5 for my 12” Grendel and just leave it there, even though I have multiple 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 muzzle devices for it.

Ultra series don’t feel like there is a suppressor on the end since they are 100% Titanium.

I still shoot with electronic muffs on all the time.

I’ve shot cans without ear pro on before, and if the ammo is supersonic, they aren’t exactly hearing-safe.

[Harpoon1]

What barrel lengths?

I went with a TBAC Ultra 5 for my 12” Grendel and just leave it there, even though I have multiple 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 muzzle devices for it.

Ultra series don’t feel like there is a suppressor on the end since they are 100% Titanium.

I still shoot with electronic muffs on all the time.

I’ve shot cans without ear pro on before, and if the ammo is supersonic, they aren’t exactly hearing-safe.

Mostly 12, 16, 18, 20 max.

[Happy2Shoot]

@Harpoon1,

What did you choose?

[Harpoon1]

@Harpoon1,

What did you choose?

So far I’ve only purchased a 22LR can, everything else I would consider in 30 cal, with QD mount and Titanium, is out of stock!

[DHD]

Using your criteria, pick any two (with the exception of "hearing safe"). I've dipped my leg into suppressors and the hearing safe can be a hard one especially with an AR based toy in a high pressure cartridge.

My first is a Dead Air Nomad 30 and they aren't light or small but they are quiet. In the "do anything" category the Nomad's are usually mentioned towards the top along with TBAC and a few others. I can honestly lie to myself that I need a new can for a specific purpose and "no honey, I didn't buy a new rifle". I'm getting the cans to be a good neighbor and for my own hearing health (parts of that sentence may even be true).

Personally I think suppressors are as slippery of a slope as rifles and scopes. You don't just buy the can, you also have to choose what mount if you plan on swapping it around. I will probably end up spending $$$ on DA Xeno stuff before I'm done. If one were smart (I'm not) you could just direct thread everything and never know you can spend hundreds to buy quick attach mounts you don't really need....

[BluntForceTrauma]

H1, my local shop — Accutac — also recommended the Dead Air Sandman-S, cuz I told them I want a do-all can for home defense, hunting, and blasting. (I've been known to do a mag dump or two with Wolf steel-case.) Sandman is supposed to be super tough, full-auto rated and all — but it's a heavy, heavy beast. It's also one of the few cans with a factory option in FDE.

The more sensible can for my REALISTIC needs would have been a Thunderbeast Ultra or a Dead Air Nomad, both in titanium.

But I'm with DHD: 1) Direct thread is probably best if you plan to switch the can between various guns, and 2) What's "sensible" got to do with it?

P.S. I want to put in a plug for Silencer Shop and their dealer Accutac. They've made the buying process amazingly smooth and Accutac set me up with a trust for free.

[Harpoon1]

H1, my local shop — Accutac — also recommended the Dead Air Sandman-S, cuz I told them I want a do-all can for home defense, hunting, and blasting. (I've been known to do a mag dump or two with Wolf steel-case.) Sandman is supposed to be super tough, full-auto rated and all — but it's a heavy, heavy beast. It's also one of the few cans with a factory option in FDE.

The more sensible can for my REALISTIC needs would have been a Thunderbeast Ultra or a Dead Air Nomad, both in titanium.

But I'm with DHD: 1) Direct thread is probably best if you plan to switch the can between various guns, and 2) What's "sensible" got to do with it?

P.S. I want to put in a plug for Silencer Shop and their dealer Accutac. They've made the buying process amazingly smooth and Accutac set me up with a trust for free.

Thanks BFT.

Decided on the DA Nomad Ti but will probably grab a TB Ultra 5 also when both become available.

[Harpoon1]

Using your criteria, pick any two (with the exception of "hearing safe"). I've dipped my leg into suppressors and the hearing safe can be a hard one especially with an AR based toy in a high pressure cartridge.

My first is a Dead Air Nomad 30 and they aren't light or small but they are quiet. In the "do anything" category the Nomad's are usually mentioned towards the top along with TBAC and a few others. I can honestly lie to myself that I need a new can for a specific purpose and "no honey, I didn't buy a new rifle". I'm getting the cans to be a good neighbor and for my own hearing health (parts of that sentence may even be true).

Personally I think suppressors are as slippery of a slope as rifles and scopes. You don't just buy the can, you also have to choose what mount if you plan on swapping it around. I will probably end up spending $$$ on DA Xeno stuff before I'm done. If one were smart (I'm not) you could just direct thread everything and never know you can spend hundreds to buy quick attach mounts you don't really need....

Took me awhile to digest it but, I agree, “diirect threading” can make a lot sense, at least in some situation. You have changed my opinion.

Appreciate the thoughtful reply.

Thanks!

[Rhino1967]

When I jumped in I bought based on price/durability and have the YHM Resonator 2 (30 cal) a little heavy but has very easy to work with requirements for minimum barrel lengths that all my AR's fit within. I shoot all the time without hearing protection and LOVE that can... for me its nearly perfect. even though its a lil bit heavy (I do use the YHM QD Flashhiders on my AR pistols and Brakes on my long barrels. Not the ridiculous old style YHM Phantom devices their modern muzzle devices are very attractive and bombproof (but a hair heavy). Plus I use the Kurz QD mount for the can which drops more than an inch off the length, and some of the weight

Right now I have the Energetic Armament VOX S in NFA Jail... patiently waiting for my stamp on that one should be in the next couple weeks, ill update after that first range trip but it was the best in the industry for 2020, out of some special rocket booster metals so light and strong AF.

Make sure your can is in the universal thread pattern 1.375x24 TPI pattern... thats compatible with all the popular QD offerings from the major mfg

Do yourself a favor, spend as much time selective your QD as you do your can, I love- my YHM but everyone has a different thing they are going after... choose 1 and use it before you buy a muzzle device for every xthreaded barrel you have. Choosing the wrong one can get very expensive if ya drop per gun and cant stand the choice ya made!

[PVBoom]

I just started.

I have an Otter Creek PR65L in jail (old model).

These days, suppressor manufacturers have wisened up and the products are HUB compatible, meaning a number of different mounting solutions will work, no more lock in.

From what I researched, I am not going direct thread because of barrel threading differences (223 vs 264), I will have one can to start with and I don't want to abuse the can unnecessarily.

To that end, using an MD that serves as a brake will help reduce wear on the primary baffle.

So I am going with Rearden DPB MDs. There are other choices out there.

[BD264]

I have an Energetic Armament Vox-s.
https://youtu.be/fVwX8ol4Kv4

Also, I just got my EA Lux6.5 out of ATF jail.
https://youtu.be/xY9u_CveozI

[Scouttracker]

I running a YHM RESONATOR R2 30cal. And love it. 22lr to 300 rem ultra mag. But I would not recommend shooting rim fire due to the fact you can not take it apart to clean. QD adapters are available for all thread pitches.

[Warlock]

I have an Omega 300 that I use on multiple rifles. Due to Sico's policy regarding veterans, I paid $700.00 for the can without the tax stamp. I realize the Omega isn't the least expensive, full titanium can out there but I would say the money I paid for it is well worth it.

The Omega is stupid quiet when I put it on my 6.5 Grendel gas gun.