Rittenhouse found NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!

[Stugotz]

Rittenhouse found NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!

[HKGuns]

So there is some justice left in this country. He should never have been charged.

Congratulations to the Kenosha Kid!

[37L1]

Read DeBlasio, Coumo and Corey Bush's remarks about this.

I hope KR sues the ever loving **** out of all those Adam Henry's in politics and MSM who labeled him with absolutely no facts behind their assertations.

[biodsl]

Sandmann and Rittenhouse agree to share custody of CNN.

https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-...ody-of-cnn

[biodsl]

Read DeBlasio, Coumo and Corey Bush's remarks about this.

I hope KR sues the ever loving **** out of all those Adam Henry's in politics and MSM who labeled him with absolutely no facts behind their assertations.

Sandmann and Rittenhouse agree to joint custody of CNN.

https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-...ody-of-cnn

[montana]

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[TomSawyerNW]

Rittenhouse needs to get a Go Fund Me account going, and start suing a few Democrat-centrist political organizations that smeared his good name. That includes the useless idiot in the WH suffering from degenerative brain disease. I'd certainly contribute.

[HKGuns]

Breaking News.

https://babylonbee.com/news/after-prosec...now-guilty

[Csitt]

Every Democrats worst nightmare, a functioning justice system they cannot manipulate.

[AZHTfreak]

Rittenhouse needs to get a Go Fund Me account going, and start suing a few Democrat-centrist political organizations that smeared his good name. That includes the useless idiot in the WH suffering from degenerative brain disease. I'd certainly contribute.

Up until the verdict, you wouldn't have been able to. Now that he's been acquitted, NOW GoFundMe is offering to allow accounts in his name. Bolshevek cucks, the lot of them... Yes, sue 'em all into bankruptcy starting with QuidProFeebleJoe.

Edit: This was the ONLY donation site to back KR throughout his ordeal.
https://givesendgo.com/

[Morvandium]

While I personally disagree with some of the verdicts, I feel he is suffering and going to continue to, for what he did. (I live in SE Wisconsin, so this is fairly local for me. I don't really want to discuss my disagreement with the verdict with those who aren't also locals, so let's leave that part here, and get to my main point is below.)

Rittenhouse no longer has the same set of choices most 18 year-olds do. Sure, some rare opportunities have been opened up to him, but they're all basically the same opportunity (virtue-signaling with a trophy-level political intern by whichever politician gets him), and everyone wants to use him to further a cause. He had to agree to these media deals with Fox to fund his defense--his lawyer's statement--so now he's indebted to them. Talk about a lack of freedom, it's worse than being saddled with an upper 5 figure college debt. His life is basically being run for him right now and the near future.

What percentage of people are going to see him as anything other than either a right-wing symbol for gun rights, or the face of white privilege being efficiently capable of tearing apart a town even further than a police shooting of a black man and the ensuing unrest over fears of racism?

Consider how many universities are likely to come up with a reason to deny him because they don't want the attention. (I'm sure they'll have other reasons, much like when getting rid of a trouble employee who really isn't performing worse than peers and follows company policies, but just irritates the boss.) How many companies will never consider hiring him? Again, there will be a handful that will open up to him, but far more have closed, at least in the short term. His options for life have really thinned for now. Unfortunately for him, the more he lets himself be a symbol of a cause-celebre, the longer these doors will stay closed, and the more likely it becomes permanent. I wonder how long will it be before he really has control of his own life again, if ever.

By the way, anyone remember OJ? And his civil case? Acquitted by a jury for a criminal act doesn't mean Kyle's completely off the hook. He's gonna need that money to defend the civil cases that will be coming. Burden of proof is a lot lower and so is the bar for admission of evidence. Even if Kyle isn't worth much, a civil case judgement could put a lien against future earnings. My point is, these donations are likely to pay for lawyers and a good chance they may turn into a victim's compensation fund.

And he's the one that's going to be dealing with the lawsuits for wrongful death for however long that takes. I don't know if any of you have been sued for injuring or killing someone at that age, but as someone who spent my entire high school years and the start of my college years with a wrongful injury lawsuit hanging over me from a clear-cut situation of defending another person (there were no charges, but if there had been, they wouldn't have been against me), it can be hellish. I expect those suing Rittenhouse to be far more vehement and zealous than those that sued me, so it's likely to drag out for some time.

He's gonna have to keep reliving it because there will be more depositions from different lawyers. We all saw the way he broke down on the stand. He's gonna be forced by interviews and depositions to keep reliving it. Even if he was in the right, it is traumatizing to relive a memory like that. I hope he has some good psychological help ready, to whatever extent he needs it, to survive the next few years.

[montana]

While I personally disagree with some of the verdicts, I feel he is suffering and going to continue to, for what he did. (I live in SE Wisconsin, so this is fairly local for me. I don't really want to discuss my disagreement with the verdict with those who aren't also locals, so let's leave that part here, and get to my main point is below.)

Rittenhouse no longer has the same set of choices most 18 year-olds do. Sure, some rare opportunities have been opened up to him, but they're all basically the same opportunity (virtue-signaling with a trophy-level political intern by whichever politician gets him), and everyone wants to use him to further a cause. He had to agree to these media deals with Fox to fund his defense--his lawyer's statement--so now he's indebted to them. Talk about a lack of freedom, it's worse than being saddled with an upper 5 figure college debt. His life is basically being run for him right now and the near future.

What percentage of people are going to see him as anything other than either a right-wing symbol for gun rights, or the face of white privilege being efficiently capable of tearing apart a town even further than a police shooting of a black man and the ensuing unrest over fears of racism?

Consider how many universities are likely to come up with a reason to deny him because they don't want the attention. (I'm sure they'll have other reasons, much like when getting rid of a trouble employee who really isn't performing worse than peers and follows company policies, but just irritates the boss.) How many companies will never consider hiring him? Again, there will be a handful that will open up to him, but far more have closed, at least in the short term. His options for life have really thinned for now. Unfortunately for him, the more he lets himself be a symbol of a cause-celebre, the longer these doors will stay closed, and the more likely it becomes permanent. I wonder how long will it be before he really has control of his own life again, if ever.

By the way, anyone remember OJ? And his civil case? Acquitted by a jury for a criminal act doesn't mean Kyle's completely off the hook. He's gonna need that money to defend the civil cases that will be coming. Burden of proof is a lot lower and so is the bar for admission of evidence. Even if Kyle isn't worth much, a civil case judgement could put a lien against future earnings. My point is, these donations are likely to pay for lawyers and a good chance they may turn into a victim's compensation fund.

And he's the one that's going to be dealing with the lawsuits for wrongful death for however long that takes. I don't know if any of you have been sued for injuring or killing someone at that age, but as someone who spent my entire high school years and the start of my college years with a wrongful injury lawsuit hanging over me from a clear-cut situation of defending another person (there were no charges, but if there had been, they wouldn't have been against me), it can be hellish. I expect those suing Rittenhouse to be far more vehement and zealous than those that sued me, so it's likely to drag out for some time.

He's gonna have to keep reliving it because there will be more depositions from different lawyers. We all saw the way he broke down on the stand. He's gonna be forced by interviews and depositions to keep reliving it. Even if he was in the right, it is traumatizing to relive a memory like that. I hope he has some good psychological help ready, to whatever extent he needs it, to survive the next few years.

Jacob M. Braude — 'Life is like a grindstone; whether it grinds you down or polishes you up depends on what you're made of.'

[Tx264]

He should run for sheriff

[grayfox]

I lived in that area for several years early in my career, and am from the midwest, so I can, I think, discuss several of your points.
In some cases I agree with you, his life is forever changed. That happens for any crisis-moment, defining event. I've had some, I'm sure we all have although maybe not his.
There are however several things you say that are incorrect.
First, he was not "acquitted by a jury for a criminal act" - it was not a criminal act. Being found not guilty as a matter of the law means it was not a criminal act, none of his actions were criminal. It was only allegedly a criminal act, one (or several, if you read the prosecutor's file), but it was definitely a traumatic scenario all around.

And there is no comparison to OJ, sorry. To the Martin-Zimmerman case from Florida, would be a closer similarity although still not a direct comparison. OJ set out to murder Nicole Brown, and his attorneys got him off on technicalities and jury confusions. Nicole did not attack or even threaten OJ. There was plenty of threatening going around that night in Kenosha for sure. Now all that being said it is something he will have to deal with the rest of his life, and taking anyone's life is not easy (unless you're a stone-cold killer, which are thankfully few and far between- I don't think anyone will put him, or even the ones that were shot, in that role... ). And frankly it doesn't matter much what any lib-media or idiot hollywooders think of him, it will matter what his family and friends think. Let's face it most others will desert you all too easily anyway, family/friends are what count.

There could well be some civil lawsuits to follow, initiated from either side to be sure. Those can follow from any traumatic/crisis event.

I'm sorry to hear that you went through whatever you did, and it for sure gives you a unique perspective. I would wish only the best for both you and Rittenhouse.

One serious take-away I get from all of this is, if you are going to go into something to defend whether property or human life, make darn sure you are ready and willing to live with the results, whatever they be. In that sense, it is much like the battlefields of war.

[grayfox]

And here's a case that was acquitted the same day:
Florida Man Acquitted of Murder Charges Same Day as Kyle Rittenhouse (breitbart.com)

[dpete]

Sandmann and Rittenhouse agree to joint custody of CNN.

https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-...ody-of-cnn

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[Morvandium]

Being found not guilty as a matter of the law means it was not a criminal act, none of his actions were criminal.
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I'm sorry to hear that you went through whatever you did, and it for sure gives you a unique perspective. I would wish only the best for both you and Rittenhouse.

The only OJ similarity that I was trying to point out was that civil action will follow and drag on for years, regardless of a jury verdict or how good of lawyers you have.

I think we're splitting hairs definitions and phrasing, but, let's dive in! In self defense cases, your statement may be correct, but it isn't always. Wisconsin Chapter 939 lists 8 defenses to criminal liability. (Note that "criminal liability" specifically means these defenses DO NOT shield any level of civil liability.) This does not mean the actions aren't a crime, but it does mean that an actor committing the offense is not (or is less) criminally liable. Note that the 8 defenses listed don't all eliminate liability, as some only reduce it.

Thus, acquittal does not automatically mean there was no criminal act, it means there's no criminal liability for the defendant. It means the defendant is not legally responsible (guilty) for a particular violation of law that may have taken place. It can be because the elements of the crime were not proven (including either the accused's actus reaus (actually committing the act) or mens rea (intent)), or someone found not guilty could also be considered excused (good, extra-legal reason or criminally insane), or they could be justified (legally allowed to commit the crime -- self defense falls in here, as do most times when police kill people), or it could be jury nullification (the jury ignored trial law and the criminal statutes, and acquitted the defendant without legal reasoning). With the exception of jury nullification, Chapter 939 lays out details of how the defenses are implemented in WI code. With many potential avenues to reach acquittal, I hope you can see how acquittal ("not guilty") doesn't equate to the lack of a criminal act existing.


** update edit **
Rittenhouse's case has been updated, and regarding the above discussion of criminal/non criminal act being a legal statement made by the verdict, and I think something is clearer. I do not believe Wisconsin juries indicate WHY they chose not guilty on a charge. They only answer the question "Guilty" or "Not Guilty." (WI law does provide at least one place this is different, and that's "Guilty Not Guilty By Reason of Mental Disease or Defect" disposition.) The official record of Rittenhouse case can be found at
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.htm...de=details
and it contains no reference to "by self defense" in the verdict. In this case, the official, legal record, does NOT indicate the reason, just that he was found not guilty, and thus the verdict cannot be the legal basis to conclude no legal infraction occurred, only that the defendant was not guilty of the charged offense. While the defendant may have made the argument, the jury did not (and does not) indicate that was their reasoning in any official manner to the court.

This may not be how it is done in other states, but it seems to be how WI does it.

** end update edit **

Please, don't wish me the best -- I doubt I deserve it. Want to know what I learned all those years ago? Trust nobody, but try to understand them and their motives. Authority figures will lie if it suits them, from teachers to cops to everyone. Some will be cruel and enjoy hurting you, and others will think they're doing the right thing. People that are happy achieve it at the expense of others suffering, sometimes without realizing. Unless someone dies for you, trusting them is a mistake. Only the dead can be trusted, and not even all of 'em. The world is a terrible place we're sentenced to suffer for life, unless we have the courage to leave early. That's my perspective. I doubt it's unique.



Looking forward at some news coverage of Racine, it appears that some left-wing protesters are starting to take to heart the lessons of being armed--saw some AR-15s in the crowd of anti-Kyle protesters yesterday. Imagine how different the BLM protests would have been like last summer if they'd all been openly carrying. Bet those people who drove their cars into protests would think twice if they knew they'd get lit up. I've said for a long time that liberal protesters would be allowed to march with less interference if they armed themselves the way right wing protesters do. Wonder if we're gonna find out. I'm not looking forward to gunfights in the streets next summer as armed groups of right wing and left wing protesters find things to clash about. Mark my words, it is coming. For years I've worn a ballistic vest whenever in counties over certain population densities as a rule of logic. Might bump it up to III+ plate if stray rifle rounds are going to be a common possibility, too. But, geeze, that's not concealable in the summer and my back is not gonna like that.

[montana]

Please, don't wish me the best -- I doubt I deserve it. Want to know what I learned all those years ago? Trust nobody, but try to understand them and their motives. Authority figures will lie if it suits them, from teachers to cops to everyone. Some will be cruel and enjoy hurting you, and others will think they're doing the right thing. People that are happy achieve it at the expense of others suffering, sometimes without realizing. Unless someone dies for you, trusting them is a mistake. Only the dead can be trusted, and not even all of 'em. The world is a terrible place we're sentenced to suffer for life, unless we have the courage to leave early. That's my perspective. I doubt it's unique.



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Seriously, I don't know how you get out of bed every morning. I'm thankful for every day I have on this earth and the blessings I have been given. One thing I learned early in life is that life is not fair and people are people, good and bad. I've had broken legs, ribs, facial bones, fingers, been shot, had to fight almost daily from 4 years up into adult hood, grew up with the worst serial killer in Montana's history, had a good friend and his wife murdered by a transient psychopath in their remote wilderness home, seen co-workers crushed, mangled and killed on construction and logging jobs. I raised my oldest son from an infant by myself and actually never had any sleep for days on end, as I could not afford to stop working. I would slap myself in the face repeatedly to keep awake. I was blessed since I had once held a friend as he cried in my arms after losing a child. I have lost many loved ones and friends throughout my life because of alcohol, drugs and poor choices. Compared to my parents, grandparents and great grandparents my life was a walk in the park. Yet I never once heard them complain or walk around feeling sorry for themselves. They maintained their morals, decency and religious beliefs until their last days. They always remembered the good things in their lives and laughed at the hardships they would recant to us. They understood life is a gift and to be thankful for it.. They made due with literally nothing and met problems head on without fear and did it with love and joy. I was taught by my parents, the worst character flaw a person could have was to feel sorry for yourself. We are only victims if we choose to be. That is my perspective.. Rant over....

[LRRPF52]

Keep in mind this whole event was a BLM/ANTIFA operation designed to agitate defenders of the town into violence.

The "peaceful protestors” roam down the streets in an organized group while the criminals and mental patients who fill ANTIFA ranks run around skirmishing for trouble, striking out where they can unexpectedly, committing arson to destroy the businesses and infrastructure, with the hopes that someone will fire into the crowd of protestors.

People on the ground have a clear sense that something fishy is going on, and exercised a great deal of restraint by maintaining defense posture.

Rittenhouse got separated from his friend, which was his main mistake.

The mental patient/child molester, Joseph Rosenbaum, (who had just been released from a mental hospital that day) had an open case for jumping bail, and of course was a convict for anally raping, sodomizing, and violating 5 boys ages 9-11 in Arizona.



Here’s his prison record from Arizona:



Huber and Grosskreutz were also some real winners, and members of revolutionary groups, both with extensive criminal records.

So who is organizing these guys to go agitate and commit arson at “peaceful protests”?

[montana]

Keep in mind this whole event was a BLM/ANTIFA operation designed to agitate defenders of the town into violence.

The "peaceful protestors” roam down the streets in an organized group while the criminals and mental patients who fill ANTIFA ranks run around skirmishing for trouble, striking out where they can unexpectedly, committing arson to destroy the businesses and infrastructure, with the hopes that someone will fire into the crowd of protestors.

People on the ground have a clear sense that something fishy is going on, and exercised a great deal of restraint by maintaining defense posture.

Rittenhouse got separated from his friend, which was his main mistake.

The mental patient/child molester, Joseph Rosenbaum, (who had just been released from a mental hospital that day) had an open case for jumping bail, and of course was a convict for anally raping, sodomizing, and violating 5 boys ages 9-11 in Arizona.



Here’s his prison record from Arizona:



Huber and Grosskreutz were also some real winners, and members of revolutionary groups, both with extensive criminal records.

So who is organizing these guys to go agitate and commit arson at “peaceful protests”?

This is all being engineered by the entire justice system. Ask yourself why these dirt bags are aloud to walk our streets after committing crime after crime after crime.This is typical leftist strategy for gaining control. They create the chaos, "de-fund the police" and make them stand down against the peaceful protesters as the city burns. They then blame the opposition with false narratives using such words as climate change, systematic racism, equity, social justice, white racist, white vigilantes, reparations, undocumented citizens, etc, for the need to tear down the system.Look who pays big donations to the DA's, judges and elected officials campaigns and you will get the answer.. Not complicated....