Contested New York handgun carry permit law going to be heard by Supreme Court

[jasper2408]

There is also a video at the bottom of the page that explains the case and its possible outcomes in depth.

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/supreme...v-corlett/

[jasper2408]

Just an update on this case.

The final reply brief has been filed in the NRA-ILA-supported case challenging New York’s restrictive concealed-carry-licensing regime. This was the final filing before the Supreme Court hears oral arguments on November 3rd.

As NRA-ILA argues, New York law infringes on the Second Amendment by prohibiting the average law-abiding citizen from exercising their constitutional right of self-defense. By requiring law-abiding citizens to first convince government officials that they have a “good cause” to carry a firearm that distinguishes them “from the general community,” New York’s licensing scheme treats lawful Americans like felons and grants government officials “virtually unbridled discretion to grant or withhold what the Constitution presumptively guarantees to all.” The brief, which can be read in its entirety here, declares that “The Second Amendment protects ‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms.’ … [T]he Constitution enshrines not just a homebound right to keep arms but a right to bear them outside the home, where the need for self-defense is acute.”

Under New York’s current law, “the time when a handgun may be carried outside the home for self-defense … is never, the place is nowhere, and the manner is not at all. That is an evisceration, not a regulation, of the right.” No state should be able to criminalize a constitutionally enumerated right. This NRA-ILA-backed case gives the Supreme Court of the United States the opportunity to remind every American of that.

NRA-ILA remains dedicated to protecting the rights of all Americans to keep and bear arms, even beyond the walls of their home.

The case is captioned New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen.

[grayfox]

The SCOTUS hears arguments on this today, 11/3.

[mdram]

arguments start at 10am
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/live.aspx

[jasper2408]

arguments start at 10am
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/live.aspx

So I have been listening to the oral arguments and one thing I have noticed is the lefty side keeps saying that if you let normal people have permits in New York state then the people in New York City will get drunk and start fighting and within a week all of New York City will be dead. WOW!!!! That's a lot of shootin' hombre.


Edit: Guess they don't know that there is an ammo shortage. It might take 2 weeks.

[mdram]

been listening also.
noticed the left said that stats with shall issue have higher crime, more shooting, ect than new york

[jasper2408]

been listening also.
noticed the left said that stats with shall issue have higher crime, more shooting, ect than new york

I noticed that they conveniently don't have any of the documents with them to back up their claims.

[grayfox]

Here's an interesting summary of argument points and discussions from the hearing.
Majority of court appears dubious of New York gun-control law, but justices mull narrow ruling - SCOTUSblog

I'm cautiously optimistic.
Particularly good are the questions as to why a right, under the BoR, needs a govt official's "discretion" to allow using it, and that rights under the Constitution are something a person presumably has and to limit or take it away, the govt must show proof and cause.... whereas NY is requiring the applicant to prove to the govt his need of having this right. These 2 stances are complete opposites (one constitutional, and one unconst.)

[mdram]

here in md we are under the same may issue, and show a need, we are following this closely

[grayfox]

The libs and NYS seem to want to say that gee, so many places are trouble like stadiums, times square, "big cities" (where there are police - WAIT-defunding and handcuffing police!!!) etc etc that Scotus should leave this all alone. But Kavanaugh frames it as "a problem with the permitting..." so they can strike down the "may issue" permit/process part but let states go through law-making to limit or exclude CC's from their "problem" venues........ that's a good way to prevent getting bogged down like libs want us to be.
And similar to the "can't yell fire in a crowded theater..." stance.
Even Roberts seems inclined to go along with the conservatives. We'll see.

And yeah, I think there are 7 states with "may issue" or something, and all of them stand to be affected by the ruling.

[1075 tech]

It is not just a case of getting a concealed carry permit.

What a lot of people don't understand, is that here in NY, you cannot purchase or possess a handgun unless you get the state's permission. You must have a permit from the state. It is not like other states where you can purchase but need a permit to carry.

Not only do you need a permit before you can purchase a handgun, each handgun must be registered with the state and specifically listed on your permit. It is illegal to possess a handgun that is not listed on your permit.

Additionally, even if you have a permit, you have to get additional permission to purchase an additional handgun. Although there is some variation, in most counties, the newly purchased handgun must be listed on your permit before taking possession.

[grayfox]

Wow. It truly is NewYorkistan!

[jasper2408]

This will be a truly landmark decision. I admire the people that decided to stand up and say "No" to this unconstitutional state law and hope that SCOTUS does their job.

Here is what the law allows in Indiana to own a handgun:

You are allowed to own a firearm on your own property without having a handgun permit.

You can also carry a gun at a shooting range or at a gun show without having a handgun permit.

You can also transport a handgun in your vehicle without having a handgun permit, however the handgun MUST be unloaded, secured in a case, and not easily accessible.

An example of what is not allowed:

If you have a handgun permit and leave a handgun in your vehicle, then let someone else drive your vehicle that does not have a handgun permit, if that person is pulled over they could be charged with a crime even if they didn’t know the handgun was in your vehicle.

Our permits are not handgun specific so if the person driving has a permit then the above would be legal.

[grayfox]

In VA Anyone >21 (not sure if its >18) can buy a handgun, but only 1/month unless you have a CCW permit.
You can transport it in a closed bag or container, not easily accessible to driver. You can carry it in many places as "open carry", concealed in most places (with a CCWP) except where posted, govt bldgs, etc,
I'm not a lawyer so this is what I recall.
But getting a CCW permit is shall issue, not may issue, from the circuit court. renew every 5 years.