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I'm thinking about a 10-12ish inch pistol for my kids to use deer and hog hunting. I would probably never stretch past 200 because my 300 win mag is more useful for that.
I know that parts are the driest they have ever been so even piecing one together would be tough
anybody have any insights or feedback? the YouTube videos arnt very helpful
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My 12.5 is the only gun I use in my climbing stand. Handles very nicely for that.
You wont regret it.
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Talk you out of it? You came to the wrong place for that request.
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If you are planning a pistol brace build, I would advice just pursuing a 14.5 pin and weld, as the legal status of a pistol build is pretty spotty right now. Performance wise, the 12" Grendel is the most effective performance/lb of any AR and an exceptional general purpose arm. That said, a 14.5 is going to hit even harder, very close in handling and weight at only 2" longer, and mitigates potential future legal concerns.
Which, At this stage I consider to be highly likely to happen.
While there is plenty of internet bravado, all of a sudden having a gun you cant hunt with, compete with, take to range with, or other use in most settings, is an unattractive reality, that is tomorrows executive order away.
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That is an excellent point
I kinda wanted a pistol just for the cool factor. But a pinned and welded 16in OAL gun should do everything the 12.5 does
That being said Ive been looking for 14or 14.5 in barrels or uppers and the market is drier than Ive ever seen it. Its just nuts
So I guess the perfect barrel would be a 14.5 mid length gas system
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Talk you out of it? NOOOOoooo, DON'T DO IT!!!!
Now that's out the way, you're going to love it.
With such a short barrel I would stick with the lightest bullets in the 6.5 range. Grendel is slower than a wet week anyway so handicapping it even further with a short barrel is going to cost. You can ease the cost with going lightest bullets. And two more inches will make a huge difference easing that 'cost' also. If you really want to be talked out of it, Grendel is not the most efficient calibre to be going pistol length but, hey...
If you are going to pin and weld 16" for legal reasons then you may as well just get a 16" barrel with no muzzle brake and enjoy the extra velocity for the same length.
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Welcome to Grendel-Land - populated by Grendel Volunteer's !
Absolutely depending on how-much-you-shoot - with the times we are in - best if you think about a "Grendel-Ammo-Plan" - Grendel Factory Ammo is scarce and pricey - and reloading supplies are quite tight.
That said - if you're set on the Joy-Of-A-Build... you will get awesome feedback from this forum....
For me - I have a bit less time to Build - but I hack out the time to shoot long and grateful we have the right Membership Range for that
I have got two Grendel's in my stable..
For AR - Alexander Arms 10 1/2 (now listed as 11") about $1200 ... "usual" top line slap-in upgrades .... a bitch*n Nightforce NXS scope .... and a modular 4"-10" Titanium Suppressor
For Make-Every-Shot-Counts - Single Shot CVA Scout Grendel 14" (made by Bergara) .... Farrow Tech buffer tube adapter (modded finish) ... Talley rail... Nikon Black FX1000 (steal-of-a-deal) .. swap over my Titanium modular suppressor.. bitch*n
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Klem Wrote:...
If you are going to pin and weld 16" for legal reasons then you may as well just get a 16" barrel with no muzzle brake and enjoy the extra velocity for the same length.
On paper and performance, this is probably true. For some, the muzzle device is an important aesthetic and performance component of an AR platform. After living through Clinton's '94 AWB, I won't run a bare AR15. But others might not be so particular. That, and muzzle devices are natural crown-protectors. As well as help with flash and recoil. I will say, for a .223, the extra barrel length performance of a 16" vs 14.5" is actually a good bit more substantial than one might think, and notably increases the range of that 2700 FPS distance; which is why I've never bothered with that in .223. With Grendel, the round is a lot different, and is a lot more forgiving in performance to barrel length decreases. Which is why a 12" grendel performance is so good. 14.5 will be better, but the incremental increase to 16" from 14.5 isn't nearly so drastic, as is it in .223.
So in the end, it's a matter of personal taste. a 12" is typically closer 14" after muzzle device. it's only ~2 more inches if doing 14.5 pin and weld (or bare 16). But in the end, the pin and weld looks cooler; and that's super important. :o
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04-08-2021, 01:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2021, 02:14 PM by PVBoom.)
Don't brace it.
The news today is that Biden's proposed new ATF head will move to reclassify all braced patrols as SBRs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...-flag-laws
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PVBoom Wrote:Don't brace it.
The news today is that Biden's proposed new ATF head will move to reclassify all braced patrols as SBRs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...-flag-laws
Illegal executive orders should be ignored.
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04-08-2021, 02:29 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2021, 05:28 PM by lazyengineer.)
PVBoom Wrote:Don't brace it.
The news today is that Biden's proposed new ATF head will move to reclassify all braced patrols as SBRs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...-flag-laws
Yep. There will be lots of discussion on this I'm sure. But this was as predictable as the phase of the moon. The "victory" in December when the ATF under Trump was going to give free SBR stamps while at the same time declaring they will remain ambiguous on brace status (i.e. no real change), was the most misspent effort I've seen the gun community do; they threw away a gift and spit in ATF's face for it. Biden had already won, and this was an absolute certainty. Dont expect free SBR stamps out of this now, and do expect more draconian interpretations of what an SBR is, than what was offered in December. We'll see, it's a dumb law - but it's on the books, and he can do this. We're not going to win this one, and it was amazing they were ever allowed to get so widespread in the first place.
Don't build an AR pistol today, is my advise. Or at least, build it with a 14.5" Barrel, that you can then pin and weld later. Though... good luck finding a 14.5" barrel. "Easest" path right now, if you know the right people, is to get a used Creedmoor barrel and have it cut down and rechambered. Yea, I know - super helpful.
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Just do a registered sbr. My 12" is all i use. Rest of guns just sit in the safe
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thanks, this is all awesome advice but i fear im way to late in the game for find a 14.5 in barrel. i have a LTC/CHL but it seems overly intrusive to get a SBR
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Call mark at precision firearms. It might take a little while but it will be the best 14.5" barrel you will find.
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In my mind - Braces "Were SBR" - then Braces "Were Not SBR".
Worst case in my mind - "if" DOJ issue New Guidance that "Future Braces Are SBR" - no sweat my side.
In my Area - Braces Were Not SBR" - ATF Retail Enforcement Agents in my region became so callous - they had no issues with store retail ready inventory - with "pistols" with "braces" that were literally identical to some Fixed Tactical Stocks - as long as they had a Arm-Brace-Velcro Strap and were non-folding.
I filed for SBR on my Alexander the week after it arrived... Fingerprint Card... followed experienced Internet Forum Advice on how best to complete the SBR form - $200 credit card charge from ATF - in 6 weeks I had that Stamp and MUCH happier with the Folding Collapsible Tactical Stock I wanted over "brace"
Frankly future forward - worst case most likely could be "Braces Are SBR" again - anyone can conjecture - it is Politics today - to take the "Easier" route - with the Minimum Effort - that Will Produce A Loud Media "Win" - which "could be" to Issue/Administer/Enforce Changes Going Forward on Retail/Complete.... that's the ONLY area where ATF has any manpower at all for retail/visits/enforcement.
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lazyengineer Wrote:If you are planning a pistol brace build, I would advice just pursuing a 14.5 pin and weld, as the legal status of a pistol build is pretty spotty right now. Performance wise, the 12" Grendel is the most effective performance/lb of any AR and an exceptional general purpose arm. That said, a 14.5 is going to hit even harder, very close in handling and weight at only 2" longer, and mitigates potential future legal concerns.
Which, At this stage I consider to be highly likely to happen.
While there is plenty of internet bravado, all of a sudden having a gun you cant hunt with, compete with, take to range with, or other use in most settings, is an unattractive reality, that is tomorrows executive order away.
As a gun owner who lives in California, my advice is: build what you can while you can. The laws here are about as restrictive as anywhere in the country, and most of my ARs are "featureless" (and therefore not "registered"). But before the state passed a law requiring all AR pistols and other "evil featured" rifles to be classified as "Assault Weapons", I built an 80% lower into an AR pistol with the intent of registering it while it was still legal to do so. Now it's nearly impossible to obtain an AR pistol in California, but I have my 11.5" pistol that is 100% legal.
This is where I live, so I choose to play by the rules and follow the law - regardless of whether I agree with it. If I had waited just a little bit longer, I wouldn't have been able to legally make my own AR pistol. At least now I have it and can change the upper and accessories as much as necessary. Build what you want, how you want, right now. If the laws change, then you can adapt as necessary.
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https://www.jsesurplus.com/odinworks12st...type2.aspx
this is what I ended up with. i'm just going to to say F it and get the pistol
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