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I noted, but won't comment on...
"One of our shooters has been shooting the round now for approx 6 months and has achieved remarkable results pushing the round out to 1325 yards and hitting a 1 gallon milk jug every time."
"The rifle uses a 20 inch Alexander Arms Barrel with an Osprey piston system."
http://www.qualityarmsidaho.com/
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Ummm, oooookkkkaaaaayyyyy......... Cough, cough, BS, cough, cough.....
Color me skeptical!  
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WhatWhatWhhaaaaaaatt? You don't believe?:eek:
Good to have another manufacturer though.
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Hitting a 1 gallon milk jug every time???????? Uhmmmmm bs I dont care what you are shooting. If it is fired off the shoulder. To make a claim like that.....1300 yards milk jug every time....It would have to be showed to me first hand on multiple day and conditions. How about a 10-20 mph variable cross wind.
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Well, that's marketing!
No one would buy a gun where they said, "We can hit a milk jug, sometimes, on Thursdays when there isn't any wind, our tester breathes 3 times on the ammo, the Earth is in the perfect rotation relative to the 3rd Constellation of Sagittarius, and Mars and Venus are in alignment!"?
Hasn't anyone ever wondered why every AR is a "Designated Sniper" model, or some other version indicating accuracy?
Idaho is up there in altitude, Rigby at about a mile high, but not high enough that the Grendel is suddenly a magic wand!
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt
txgunner00 Wrote:Good to have another manufacturer though.
I have to question this. Do we really consider them another manufacturer being that they are building their models with AA barrels? They are not actually producing barrels chambered to Grendel specs. Also, if all they are doing is purchasing AA barrels and putting them in their uppers, why not just purchase directly from the source so you know what you are getting.
With another vendor out there pushing the Grendel, this is a good thing and I support it. The hitting the milk jug every time comment could easily be per session........lol........
I dont see why its not possible, if the gun is accurate, they did the math, and the shooter is steady...
Its not BS and I have seen the pics and he is in his 70's using a cut rifled barrel and the shooting took place in Boise. Or how about 8 police officers from Bonneville, Clark and other county mounties shooting a head sized rock at 935 yds every time out in the Arco desert at the police junk yard shoot in October. Saw that with my own eyes so bring it on as we are arranging a Grendel shoot in Idaho falls around May time.
So read on
In July of 2011, Quality Arms completed the assembly of an AR-15 UPPER Receiver chambered in the 6.5 Grendel using the Saturn machine cut rifling fluted barrel in the 1/8.5 twist. After 4 months of research and countless ballistic calculations, the 6.5 Grendel introduced by Alexander Arms seemed to offer the extended range that I desired in a black rifle platform. This cartridge using the LAPUA 123 Grain Scenar Hollow-Point BT Bullet is still supersonic at greater than 1200 yards (BC @0.547).
The rifle was set up with the Nightforce 20 MOA base and the Leupold 8.5 X to 25X TMR Scope. The equivalent zero with the 20 MOA base would be 735 yards for this configuration. The initial sight-in at 735 yards was achieved in five rounds, which was independently validated by a fellow marksman as a witness. This allowed dial-up settings within the scope adjustment for the ranges at 1000, 1200, and 1325 yards. The windage was set or refined by dialing down to the 200 and 100 yard marks and printing five round groups to finalize the horizontal or windage zero
This effort then went back to the 700 yard mark to adjust the 735 yard zero down to 700 yards. The first three round group printed was at a 2-inch extreme spread and shooting tennis balls at this distance was confirmed to be possible.
This cartridge (6.5 Grendel) has exhibited excellent performance out to the 1000, 1200, and 1325 yards (¾-Mile). There is a current effort on-going to check this rifle/cartridge performance at the 1500 yard distance. At this distance, density altitude becomes a significant and limiting player in the equation and the bullet has dropped below the supersonic velocity value of 1133 feet/second at 75 degrees Fahrenheit. At an outside air temperature (OAT) of 80 degrees Fahrenheit in September of 2011, it was shown that a group size smaller than a gallon milk jug is possible at the 0.85 Mile distance; however, at an OAT of 42 degrees in late February 2012, the point of impact was 4.5 feet lower than at the 80 degree temperature causing the Point of Impact (POI) to drop below the target with the 40.5 MOA dial up, plus the 20 MOA base, and a hold on the lowest mark in the TMR scope. More needs to be done to compete the testing at this extreme distance for this cartridge and load. This effort is planned for the coming spring 2012.
The Quality Arms Upper Receiver chambered in the 6.5 Grendel with the 123 grain bullet has exceeded my initial expectations by a significant margin
R E Korenke- March 5th, 2012
Guys, this is perfectly reasonable: It was a 500 gallon milk jug, you have to look at what they DON'T say. Or may it was a milk cow!
RR
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Ridgerider Wrote:...6.5 Grendel using the Saturn machine cut rifling fluted barrel in the 1/8.5 twist....using the LAPUA 123 Grain Scenar Hollow-Point BT Bullet....700 yards. The first three round group printed was at a 2-inch extreme spread and shooting tennis balls at this distance was confirmed to be possible.
I just want the load recipe. 
Drifter
I emailed Quality Arms about that rifle, mentioned in the pictures forum here.
here is the text of the reply:
"Yes its our gun and heard last week it was getting 1/3 moa so hopefully it will only get better. What was not said about the rifle on the forum was that its a custom rifle as we believe it to be the only rifle like it out there as it is piston driven, no big deal you may say but it is also ambidextrous as well. It will eject the case either to the left or right and we are the only manufacture to offer that in .556, 6.8 spc and 6.5 ( still being tested)
We make a similar right eject billet uppered gas impingement rifle with all our usual upgrades including a 20 moa quick release scope mount, bipod looking just like the picture but no scope fore $2200.
One of our clients has been hitting a 1 gallon milk jug every time out to 1325 yds with a black version of that rifle."
It's something to keep an eye on; hopefully it will be a good product. Being a diehard capitalist, I love a robust marketplace.
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[quote=Ridgerider]Its not BS and I have seen the pics and he is in his 70's using a cut rifled barrel and the shooting took place in Boise. Or how about 8 police officers from Bonneville, Clark and other county mounties shooting a head sized rock at 935 yds every time out in the Arco desert at the police junk yard shoot in October. Saw that with my own eyes so bring it on as we are arranging a Grendel shoot in Idaho falls around May time.
But to say you could hit it every time, any day under any conditions. Any one can make a mistake in the math sooner or later.
I am not questioning the rifle as much as I am the man behind the trigger.
Then again a bullet not made just right or powder not just right. ..... Any thing can happen.
But to say you could hit it every time, any day under any conditions. Any one can make a mistake in the math sooner or later.
I am not questioning the rifle as much as I am the man behind the trigger.
Then again a bullet not made just right or powder not just right. ..... Any thing can happen.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying everyday under every condition. But too many people in E Idaho know what the Grendel round will do and the milk jug is a 1 gallon jug. Perhaps the doubters would like to come and see the potential for them selves and join us at the Idaho Falls shoot in May.
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I have no doubt it can be done with enough shots, but to say "every time" is laughable. It's typical marketing hype not based in the physical real world. I've shot steel at just over 1200 myself and the round is certainly capable of long range accuracy. However, those distances are at the extreme end of the potential of this cartridge. Missing the wind call by 1 MPH will put you off target by over a foot. Maybe that shooter is that good but I doubt it. Even if he is, using him as an example in marketing and claiming those shots can be made every time is not completely honest IMO. I wish them the best though because their success benefits us all.
I'd love to join you but Idaho is a bit far for me. Have fun!
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No one is saying everyday under every condition. But too many people in E Idaho know what the Grendel round will do and the milk jug is a 1 gallon jug. Perhaps the doubters would like to come and see the potential for them selves and join us at the Idaho Falls shoot in May.
Idaho Falls.....Hmmm, what dates?
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Not sure of the dates yet but it is going to happen.
Perhaps the Sheriff of B***e County who shot 3 out of 3 and the other deputies are pretty good shots at 935 yds.
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