Federal Awarded Army Contract :7.62x51 and NGC Ammo

[Battalion13]

Just posting, haven't seen it posted yet.

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/08/federal...z6Tvt6lXRY

[BluntForceTrauma]

Progress is always good. Usually.

"This suite of ammunition utilizes a proprietary high-performance alloy cartridge case allowing for elevated chamber pressures and a reduction in ammunition weight as compared to legacy brass-cased ammunition.... It will be made available for commercial and foreign sales in the near future."

[grayfox]

If it catches on it might mean the death of reloading....
brass is central to our craft.
or huge changes at least.

[Lemonaid]

So did something happen to the polymer cased ammo? (true velocity) Is it the higher chamber pressure that is the big advantage?

[A5BLASTER]

Progress is always good. Usually.

"This suite of ammunition utilizes a proprietary high-performance alloy cartridge case allowing for elevated chamber pressures and a reduction in ammunition weight as compared to legacy brass-cased ammunition.... It will be made available for commercial and foreign sales in the near future."

BFT. I'm confussed. The snip of the article that you posted. Are they talking about the Sig round and platform? Or are they saying they took the Sig case design and imply it too 7.62x51 NATO and then blow the pressure' s up past 70k?

[BluntForceTrauma]

The way I read it is that the new super alloy cartridge "brass" is a testbed. They'll start with 7.62x51 and compare it to a known quantity, and then test it in more calibers.

I was also curious Federal didn't tie it in to Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW). Maybe they're trying to get around SIG's two-part casing patent and the polymer patents by going direct to a super alloy?

I'm dubious about the super high pressures of this Next Generation Carbine Technologies (NGCT) and NGSW.

But, then again, I suppose there were plenty of naysayers in the late 1800s as the firearms world moved from black powder to smokeless. They probably thought the new pressures were crazy high, as well. (If they tested pressure back then.)

I will never agree with using a larger-than-5.56-6.5 Grendel-6mmARC cartridge — for logistics purposes — in the standard infantry rifle or carbine. Same cartridge overall length but better performance? Yes. Same performance but smaller cartridge? Yes. Bigger cartridge? No.

[hill37]

https://www.novxammo.com/Look what I just found.

[grayfox]

The faq says they will be easier to reload because of lubricity retain original shape after firing and elasticity. So reloading might be able to continue...

[grayfox]

Casing is a stainless steel nickel alloy supposed to be 40% lighter. Bullet is copper nylon combo, for 9 mm it’s 65 gr bullet. 1800 FPS, 223 is 4120 ft/s, didn’t see the wt of the 223 bullet.

[biodsl]

Casing is a stainless steel nickel alloy supposed to be 40% lighter. Bullet is copper nylon combo, for 9 mm it’s 65 gr bullet. 1800 FPS, 223 is 4120 ft/s, didn’t see the wt of the 223 bullet.

That's because they never mentioned it. Went to Natchez's. It's 35 grains. https://www.natchezss.com/novx-tactical-...20-ct.html

[BluntForceTrauma]

This NovX seems cool, as well, although it seems to me physics limits its use to close-quarters training:

1) Ultra light for caliber matrix bullets lose momentum fast — the polar opposite heavy for caliber high-BC lead bullets in 6.5 Grendel and 6mmARC.

2) Also, yes, higher velocity gives one a bigger temporary stretch cavity, but unless you combine it with fragmentation its effectiveness is limited. I'd have to see terminal ballistics testing in gel and not just clay.

Dig the idea of stainless steel case walls and a hardened aluminum primer base for lighter overall weight, though.

However, I don't think NovX is the new Federal super alloy case technology they're talking about in the contract.

[hill37]

The NovX uses the Shell Shock Technologies case. Unless it has changed it takes special dies to load. The case body to case head joint is the reason. I don't see its use by the military for that reason.