Sanity Check: 20MOA Cant Mount with Sig Sierra3BDX (40H/40V MOA adj)

[MegaHurtz]

So let me see if I have this right, you're too poor for good glass but you're considering dropping $2k on a 1050. Do I have that right?

Indeed, that is absolutely correct. I can defer the purchase of a reloading rig, as I can buy factory cartridges vs. reloading, so an immediate expenditure in that space isn't required. Conversely, I couldn't shoot a weapon/optics that I didn't have, so an immediate acquisition was made, to satisfy a decades-long yearning that I've had (since I separated (back in '92) - the ex had a family member murdered by an asshat with a firearm - she predicated no weapons, and I caved, out of love and respect - given that I am no longer subject to such a commitment, I scratched that itch in the immediate).

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[LR1955]

MH / Klem:

Roger -- got it.

Read no implication in CF's message implying snide remarks or sarcasm. Kind of funny in my view but who knows what evil lurks in the mind of CF!

I see it more as evidence of Cognitive Dissonance Theory for MH. Got to say though, that MH's logic is such that he has resolved his dissonant cognitions in a very sound manner.

As for buying a 1050. Ugh.

So, keep it focused now.

LR55

[MegaHurtz]

...I see it more as evidence of Cognitive Dissonance Theory for MH.

As for buying a 1050. Ugh.

LR55

I read you,5 x 5 on the progressive.

Cognitive Dissonance - truth/an astute observation - been in the throws of one form or another of that for much of this past year...

Have a great week.

[MegaHurtz]

Read no implication in CF's message implying snide remarks or sarcasm. Kind of funny in my view but who knows what evil lurks in the mind of CF!

In hindsight, I agree. He was just calling it how he saw it. My emotive retort was that of a whiney lil biatch. I redacted same. Apologies to CF.

Now, will focus on getting smarter 'bout reloading. Lots of useful data here in these forums.

-MHz

[okstatefan]

As a user of the BDX system, I'll give my accounts.

First and foremost, it is a really cool technology. I have the 4-14 and the 2200 range finder. The range finder is absolutely top notch. The scope is a mixed bag of great surprises and a few disappointments.

Let me talk to the scope first. Can I say again the technology is really cool and works well. Sig mentions in many interviews and product information videos that this is really a hunting solution. I mostly agree and there are several reasons. Firstly, in order to incorporate the variable stadia marks for the reticle, it has to be thick. Very thick for any type of precision target shooting. The reticle will simply cover a 24" target at 400 yards. There is no way around that. Secondly, the glass is not of quality to clear mirage at very far distance. Finally, long range shooting is very much aided by First Focal Plane reticles and adjustable turrets. This system is meant to get on a target very quickly and make a kill shot. I would feel comfortable letting a first time hunter use this system out to 200 yards with minimal practice. I don't think I could keep it on 24" steel at 600yd because I wouldn't really be able to see the target. I've had it out to 200yds and hit 4-6" groups from a sub MOA rifle. Kill deer = yes, win match = no.

Now to the range finder. This is actually my second Sig 2200 range finder. When I ordered the first one, I told a coaching buddy about it who is a big-time golfer and H.S. golf coach. It arrived in the middle of the week, and I couldn't get out with it until the weekend. He asked to borrow it and I said sure. He came to my house after his practiced and asked if he could just order me a new one on the spot. He said he needed that range finder now. I let him log on to my computer and a new one was on my porch that Friday. This thing is almost EDC for me. Seriously, I carry it even when I know I won't be target shooting and I think there may be a chance to range something cool. It's my third range finder and by far my favorite.

[MegaHurtz]

As a user of the BDX system, I'll give my accounts....

Thanks for the time in offering your perspective. It's appreciated. In the end, I agree. Looking for a good long range optic to acquire, once the pocketbook stops smoking.

[Kswhitetails]

MH, keep on, keepin on. It's a process for us all, regardless if we've forgotten how nubbish we all were. Here's my thought: long range, IE- anything beyond 600 yards, isn't going to like your pocket book at all. You're going to be spending equal time and money on finding out what you don't know you don't know.

Here's my advice. Go take some classes. Find an instructor local to you with pedigree, who can take you to the range and put you on targets at that distance or more, and have you hitting them at will in a day. You'll spend 500-1k on a good course/instructor.

Remember, you don't know what you don't know. He/she does, and is worth the money. Because, in the end, you're going to spend double that buying and re-selling stuff you don't really want/need to get where you want to go.

I've been where you are. I've returned to where you are. I've been to 1400 yards at will, too. And I'll tell you, the two classes I took locally (1100 bucks, two weekends) have saved me from myself a few times over.

Stay frisky, fight on.

[MegaHurtz]

MH, keep on, keepin on. It's a process for us all, regardless if we've forgotten how nubbish we all were.
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I've been where you are. I've returned to where you are. I've been to 1400 yards at will, too. And I'll tell you, the two classes I took locally (1100 bucks, two weekends) have saved me from myself a few times over.

Stay frisky, fight on.

Thanks, brother. Much appreciated. Happy New Year!

[LRRPF52]

This is the system he's talking about, for those that might not have seen it:

[video=youtube_share;InFt1ebRK9Q]https://youtu.be/InFt1ebRK9Q[/video]

[LRRPF52]

Thanks for the time in offering your perspective. It's appreciated. In the end, I agree. Looking for a good long range optic to acquire, once the pocketbook stops smoking.

Looks like your best bet will be to use the SiG LRF with a dedicated target scope if you want to focus on LR shooting.

For optics, I would look at something from Vortex or NF with matching turrets/reticle with magnification and Field of View that is pleasant for you.

I'm on a trend of preferring more Field of View lately with as clear glass as I can get, even if the magnification is lower, but I'm mostly shooting 12"-20" steel targets, depending on the range. Anything within 400yds can be smaller than that, and anything beyond 800yds tends to be larger.

[MegaHurtz]

As a user of the BDX system, I'll give my accounts...

After spending some time behind the scope pushing pills down the tube, I can not agree more. It is a hunting scope that shines brightly for what it is intended for, which isn't LR shooting...

[MegaHurtz]

Looks like your best bet will be to use the SiG LRF with a dedicated target scope if you want to focus on LR shooting.

For optics, I would look at something from Vortex or NF with matching turrets/reticle with magnification and Field of View that is pleasant for you.

I'm on a trend of preferring more Field of View lately with as clear glass as I can get, even if the magnification is lower, but I'm mostly shooting 12"-20" steel targets, depending on the range. Anything within 400yds can be smaller than that, and anything beyond 800yds tends to be larger.

Thank you for the recommendations. I am in the process of saving ~$2K to throw at some good glass.

One candidate that I have my eye on is the Leupold Competition VX-6 7-42x56mm that is currently listing for around 21 c notes. I'm interested in a MOA turret & reticle systems.

I like the concept of using the higher magnification to be able to help with mirage determination to aid in assessing winds out yonder.

EDIT: Additional considerations I've been gnawing on:
- Ample elevation travel (i.e. more than 40 MOA... lol)
- A reticle that is appropriate for LR/ELR employment
- I'm leaning towards SFP, but am not dead set against a FFP setup, just need to learn to use same
- Reticle illumination is a nice to have, not a got to have, I perceive (admitted ignorance persists, however)
- I like the idea of 1/8th MOA clicks, just to be able to tune POI a bit finer when reaching out to touch sumtin far away
- For multi-turn turrets, an indicator to let me know if I am on the original or extended rotation(s)
- Plenty loud and mechanically crisp detents when twisting the turrets
- Turrets Caps? Meh, no real preference at this time
- Mechanical zero-stop turrets are desired
- Side Focus/Parallax Adjustment is a must - spinning the objective bell housing is not an option
- I'm a fan of Burris XTR Signature rings - as such, 1"/30mm/34mm tubes are fine
- A sunshield tube is a consideration, especially if their importance becomes greater with LR/ELR endeavors
- US based OEM is desired. S&B and other EU (DE) OEMs are OK, but carry a fiscal burden that may be out of my FOV

Based on what has caught my eye (i.e. the Leupold VX-6), and my anticipated budget, which models of the Vortex or NF optics would you suggest I look into? TIA

-MHz

[LRRPF52]

The Leupold VX-6 is really meant for F-Class high magnification applications on bolt guns. It isn't something I would consider putting an an AR, and I'm not aware of any people that would do that.

As to your list, I wouldn't worry too much about illumination unless you're in a hunting setting at low light hours before sunrise and around dusk.

For precision long range, I just never/rarely use the illumination in my scopes, but they all seem to come with it. I think I turned on my illumination to the lowest setting once several years ago after the sun had gone down to shoot a 12" popper I put out on a camping trip.

If you are going to be dialing for range, then you definitely don't want 1/8 MOA clicks in my experience. It gets really old trying to blast through all those clicks when you make TGT changes. They are great for Bench Rest with only one distance being shot that day, not multiple TGT transitions across a course.

I personally like FFP over SFP, while others like SFP. As long as you're not using the reticle for hold overs (I almost always use the reticle for windage holds, since they change frequently within seconds), SFP is doable but inferior in my experience.

With FFP, I can zoom out to acquire a TGT using the wider FOV. If I have to take a shot on a mover or make it quickly for some reason, I don't need to do quick math in my head to try to determine what my increments are with the magnification off of the factory set, which is usually the maximum (rarely used) magnification of the scope, and coincidently the hardest setting to acquire TGTs with due to the limited FOV.

I'm a big fan of mechanical zero-stop turrets and won't ever buy a LR scope that has TGT turrets without them. If it's a capped turret scope with stadia BDC or Horus-type reticle, then no problem. Set the zero and forget.

For NightForce, I can recommend the ATACR without hesitation. Pick what magnification range you want and either an MOA or Mil reticle and you've solved your optics solution.

For Vortex, the Razor HD and Razor HD Gen II are great. The Gen II HD 3-18x50 FFP checks all of your boxes I think, to include the revolution indicator, while adding locking turrets.

[video=youtube_share;73rjQAEi4PE]https://youtu.be/73rjQAEi4PE[/video]

[MegaHurtz]

Thanks for the time and input. It is very much appreciated.

-MHz

[65tac]

In my opinion, shoot your rifle and learn your rifles abilities via your shooting ability. Kind of taunting the USMC creed "this is my rifle........" at any rate with a budget scope (basically all scopes under 2k for the most part) are not gonna give you the MOA desired for true long range shooting without adding a lot of gizmos and gadgetry to your weapon. Find a better scope like from schmidt and bender for example.... expensive, however, high quality reticle design lots of elevation MOAs and windage. As said before, you still really need to hone your shooting to the rifle and the intended ammo round desired. Practice makes perfect. The 308 is an example that peters out around 600 yards with basic instruments and factory loads. With the extra expense of high quality optics and HOT hand loads that wont foul your chamber and bbl prematurely, I was shooting out to 1200 yards with my 308. I say was because I gave my 308 retirement and adopted the 6.5 creedmoor in its place. I shoot the grendel for inside of 300 yards for reduced recoil and ethical kill shots but I would not hesitate a shot out to but no more than a 1k on coyotes. Good luck, I am sure by now you got your stuff together