Does anyone make a 11" Grendel barrel?
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Does anyone make a 11" Grendel barrel?
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07-14-2019, 06:05 AM
Looking over the AR pistol laws and it looks like 12" makes it over the 26" total and makes it an AOW instead of pistol?
I think 11" or 10.5" is gonna be the max barrel length for a standard car buffer tube setup? Anyway was interested to know if anyone makes a 11" Grendel barrel? 
07-14-2019, 09:03 AM
X-Caliber has 2 in stock, 1 is a type 2 10.5 inch and the other is a 10 inch type 1. They were on sale, not sure if sale is over but it was a 20% off deal.
"Wild flower, growin' thru the cracks in the street" - Problem Child by Little Big Town
07-14-2019, 10:47 AM
Alexander arms has 11.5". Precision firearms will make you whatever you want.
07-14-2019, 11:00 AM
There are a couple lija 10" available in the group buy sub forum.
07-14-2019, 01:31 PM
sharpshooter33 Wrote:Looking over the AR pistol laws and it looks like 12" makes it over the 26" total and makes it an AOW instead of pistol? What makes it an AOW is if it's over 26" and you put a vertical grip on the handguard. It changes from a pistol to AOW at that point as it shows intent to be fired with two hands.
07-14-2019, 05:46 PM
mtnlvr Wrote:What makes it an AOW is if it's over 26" and you put a vertical grip on the handguard. It changes from a pistol to AOW at that point as it shows intent to be fired with two hands. Not to cloud the subject any but. That last part makes zero since. How else is a ar15 meant to be fired? Do guys run around shooting their guns one handed? Even without the forward grip you still need 2 hands on the gun too fire it accurately.
07-14-2019, 08:40 PM
A5BLASTER Wrote:Not to cloud the subject any but. That last part makes zero since. Obviously, you haven't had much dealings with government entities, especially federal entities. Common sense stops at the doorway to the building.
07-14-2019, 11:35 PM
fastreb Wrote:Obviously, you haven't had much dealings with government entities, especially federal entities. Common sense stops at the doorway to the building. Obviously not. Guess it's because I live a free state.
07-15-2019, 07:09 PM
Fed laws and state laws vary. Been looking at some states I would take my PDW with me in and some use the Fed definition of handgun 26" for handgun CCW and classify anything over 26" AOD.
One state has a 20" limit I believe. I'm just interested since I may be travelling with it and wanted to stay below the 26" limit so if I had to argue it in court it would fit the BATF definition. May end up using a 7.5" 300BO it doesn't lose as much with the short barrel and zero muzzle flash. Really like my Grendel better, but weighing shorter vs Grendel shorter. I love my 12" Grendel, but it seems I might find a state and officer that would contest it as a PDW CCW aka truck gun.
What does AOD stand for?
What does AOW stand for?
Knowing everthing isnt as important as knowing where to find it.
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07-16-2019, 05:02 AM
AOW my bad. Any Other Weapon... aka not a handgun, not a rifle, not a shotgun
07-16-2019, 05:26 AM
The new clarification letter said how they measure length. If it is less than 26 inches you make it an AOW if you install a vertical forgrip. If you have the adjustable pistol brace the measurement stops at the end of the buffer tube. If you put on the Law folder the measurement stops at the end of the receiver. If you have a brace on your pistol (defined as to be shot with 1 hand) and you put on a vertical fore grip you changed the design to two handed use. Not sure about some state laws being different than federal laws. My truck gun (300BO) fits in a 24 inch case so I know im good to go.
 Shooterrex Wrote:The new clarification letter said how they measure length. If it is less than 26 inches you make it an AOW if you install a vertical forgrip. If you have the adjustable pistol brace the measurement stops at the end of the buffer tube. If you put on the Law folder the measurement stops at the end of the receiver, measured with the brace folded. If you have a brace on your pistol (defined as to be shot with 1 hand) and you put on a vertical fore grip you changed the design to two handed use, if over the 26" sans muzzle device what you have made is a "Firearm" removal of the vfg and it reverts back to being a pistol. Not sure about some state laws being different than federal laws. My truck gun (300BO) fits in a 24 inch case so I know im good to go. Addition of a vfg on a pistol w/ 26"oal or > makes a "Firearm" provided it doesn't fold, concealing this set-up is what would make it an AOW and need the tax stamp so don't conceal it. The above mentioned methods of measuring is current and can change at the whim of the ATF. Know your state laws as some are not inline with the Federal laws such as MI and TN. A pistol that is shorter than 26" cannot have a vfg without going through the tax stamp process for an AOW, but it can have an angled foregrip. An 11.5" barrel may or may not get one to the magic number of 26", one I have is short by a fraction of an inch when measured from the end of tube to end of bare muzzle threads. Receiver extensions like the KAK Supertube which has an added inch of solid unbored aluminum will not be counted/included in the measurement as it has to be a fully functioning receiver extension. A good read: https://blog.princelaw.com/2019/07/05/at...ing-brace/ https://princelaw.files.wordpress.com/20...dacted.pdf |
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