It's started. "Rate of fire"

[keystone183]

Does anyone doubt the outcome if democrats ever get in control of both the Presidency AND Congress?

We will be lucky to legally own a slingshot.

Too true!

But, just give the republicans enough time, and it will be the same result.......

[Wheelhorse]

Too true!

But, just give the republicans enough time, and it will be the same result.......

Looks like it's headed that way.
I haven't given up completely on Trump yet, I'm gonna see how he acts when the new Democratic House gets all wound up.

[Keef]

Does anyone doubt the outcome if democrats ever get in control of both the Presidency AND Congress?

We will be lucky to legally own a slingshot.

The first 2 years of Obama's presidency they controlled the House and for 4 months of that time they controlled the Senate, giving them total control for that 4 month time period. Yet no gun control laws were passed! Are yall saying this was a brilliant plan that forced the Republican's into banning stuff and it's not their fault?????

[Wheelhorse]

The first 2 years of Obama's presidency they controlled the House and for 4 months of that time they controlled the Senate, giving them total control for that 4 month time period. Yet no gun control laws were passed! Are yall saying this was a brilliant plan that forced the Republican's into banning stuff and it's not their fault?????

That time can not be compared with now because of all the shootings in recent years.
I heard hillary on national TV, speaking fondly of Australia's gun control.
Scared the sh*t out of me too.
There are plenty in the democratic party now who feel the same way or worse.

[Keef]

This will be my last try, I don't understand how a Republican just banned something and we are still here talking about Democrats.........I'm not OK with a stranger or a family member cutting a limb off, but I guess some people don't care what family does to them?

[montana]

Start locally and support pro gun groups in your state, that is where you can have a voice and make a difference. This is mine.http://www.mtssa.org/

Sometimes it can be easy to give up and quit. But always look at the successes we have had and what the alternative could be.
Following is a list of many of the state gun laws that may exist in other states but that do not exist in Montana.

No registration of firearms
No registration of firearm owners
No permits required to buy firearms
No permits required to own firearms
No permits required to posses firearms
No permits required to transport firearms
No permits required to buy ammunition
No storage requirements for firearms or ammunition
No state waiting period for firearms
No limit on the firearms a person may buy in a specific period
No sales tax on firearms or ammunition
No personal property tax on firearms or ammunition
No limit on the number of firearms a person may own
No limit on firearms a person may keep at home
No arsenal license required
No gun locks required by law
No state back ground check for firearms purchase
No regulation of private firearm sales between individuals
No legal duty to retreat or flee if attacked
No permit needed to operate a shooting range outside cities (99.4% of Montana)
No licenses,permits or registration to own machine guns
No licenses, permits or regulations to posses or use suppressors
No restrictions on firearm type or caliber for general game hunting
No regulations of gun shows or firearm sales at gun shows
No permits for gun shows
Virtually no restrictions to shooting on public or private lands outside cities

We do have a law establishing the first week of March as Montana official week to celebrate our right to keep and bear arms.

The third week of September is Montanas official week to celebrate our heritage and culture of hunting game animals.

[keystone183]

This will be my last try, I don't understand how a Republican just banned something and we are still here talking about Democrats.........I'm not OK with a stranger or a family member cutting a limb off, but I guess some people don't care what family does to them?

You can't be a 'republican', enact gun control, and then get re-elected with out a boogyman. Lots of people are scared of the boogyman.

Oh, and lets not forget GW Bush saying he'd have signed an extension to the AWB if congress would have sent it to him.....

[Wheelhorse]

You can't be a 'republican', enact gun control, and then get re-elected with out a boogyman. Lots of people are scared of the boogyman.

Oh, and lets not forget GW Bush saying he'd have signed an extension to the AWB if congress would have sent it to him.....

The "boogyman" is very real now.
What about this? How will these people vote? ttps://www.msnh.com/en-us/news/politics/‘a-joyous-day’-ahead-as-14-million-florida-ex-felons-have-voting-rights-restored/ar-BBRQH4k?ocid=spartandhp

And let's not forget about the little Hogg boy recruting young people to his way of thinking.


I don't like Trump and did not support him in the primary but felt I had to vote against hillary.
Please everyone, remember the two conservative Justices he put on the Supreme Court. By this, perhaps the definition of the 2A is safe a little longer.

I appologise for mentioning democrats again but they are very dangerous now and no discusion on gun control is complete with them.
Let's see what Trump does in the next two years.

[LR1955]

Guys:

I am not going to lock this thread because the discussion has stayed civil. Please keep it that way.

Thanks.

LR55

[LR1955]

This will be my last try, I don't understand how a Republican just banned something and we are still here talking about Democrats.........I'm not OK with a stranger or a family member cutting a limb off, but I guess some people don't care what family does to them?

Keef:

We got it. You are a Libertarian. Most of the rest of us have looked at the Libertarian platform and candidates and we decided to stay with the Republican candidates.

And please, I ask that you do not turn try to turn this thread into an argument over Libertarians vs Republican vs Democrat vs Greens, vs what ever party.

LR55

[phishfood]

Deleted, missed the mod warning.

[Wheelhorse]

And if I hadn't voted for Ross Perot that time, I wouldn't feel partly responsible for Bill Clinton being elected.

I'm finished.

[LR1955]

If everyone who had voted for the Republican candidate, had instead voted for the Libertarian candidate, we would have a Libertarian president right now.

If everyone who voted for the Republican candidate only because they felt he was lesser of two evils, and everyone who voted for the Democratic candidate only because they felt she was the lesser of two evils, had voted for the Libertarian candidate, we very well might have a Libertarian president right now.

People talk about wasting your vote. I think that using your vote to support a deeply flawed candidate, instead of using your vote to advance a third party so that they can become a viable option, is the REAL wasted vote.

phishfood:

Perhaps you didn't read my last message or posted before it hit the thread.

This is not a thread for Libertarians to push their agenda.

LR55

[LR1955]

Guys:

One more comment that is not related to the topic and this thread will be locked.

Politics and religion. Two things that end up in gigantic flame wars.

LR55

[LR1955]

Deleted, missed the mod warning.

pf:

Thank you.

LR55

[1075 tech]

We will be lucky to legally own a slingshot.

Well, in NY we CAN NOT legally own a slingshot if it has a wrist brace. But we might be able to get nunchucks back!

[keystone183]

The "boogyman" is very real now.
What about this? How will these people vote? ttps://www.msnh.com/en-us/news/politics/‘a-joyous-day’-ahead-as-14-million-florida-ex-felons-have-voting-rights-restored/ar-BBRQH4k?ocid=spartandhp

And let's not forget about the little Hogg boy recruting young people to his way of thinking.


I don't like Trump and did not support him in the primary but felt I had to vote against hillary.
Please everyone, remember the two conservative Justices he put on the Supreme Court. By this, perhaps the definition of the 2A is safe a little longer.

I appologise for mentioning democrats again but they are very dangerous now and no discusion on gun control is complete with them.
Let's see what Trump does in the next two years.

Again....point being...it doesn't matter how they vote. Either you get do deal with it, or the next generation does. Its a fast train with the dems and a slow one with the reps. Just like spending. Government is going to government, and believing ANYONE involved in it really wants to serve YOUR interests.....is laughable. But i'm an eternal optimist.....:o

I truly hope his two appointments are truly conservative. That will be worth dealing with his idiocy if they are. I have my doubts which i hope are unfounded. Again, however......not sure it matters.....

[keystone183]

The "boogyman" is very real now.

I had to make a second post because I want to highlight this thought.

The "boogyman" is no different now than it was 10 years ago. Or 20. Or 30. Remember in the 80's what happened? Or the 90's? That thought is simply recency bias.

[LR1955]

Enough is enough. Can't keep the thread on topic and it gets locked.