House passes school gun violence bill

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/...ssage.html

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I am glad that they didn’t sneak in the fix nics with it.

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Steve Scalise (R-La.): "...so many students knew this was going to happen."

That's absurd. This isn't Minority Report. No one knew it was going to happen.

Paul Ryan (R-Wis.): "We believe the best way is to focus on stopping people who should not be getting any guns from getting guns in the first place."

Who decides which people should not be allowed to have guns? And how would it be determined? Should prospective gun buyers be required to pass a psychiatric exam?

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this worries me also stanc

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This is going to turn into a "Report thy Neighbor" kind of thing.

My GF two daughters go shooting with us, and compete, both are still in High School. I can see backlash coming. Just because a person shoots, someone will be media induced terrified of the fact and report them according to their own delusions.

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Arm homeless with shotguns to reduce crime, US Senate hopeful says
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/...-says.html

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You're guilty....in the future....we promise..kinda...

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https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/03/16...270%20days

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Who decides which people should not be allowed to have guns? And how would it be determined? Should prospective gun buyers be required to pass a psychiatric exam?

It's already been decided and enshrined in law:


Identify Prohibited Persons

The Gun Control Act (GCA), codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms or ammunition, to include any person:

• convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
  
• who is a fugitive from justice;
  
• who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, codified at 21 U.S.C. § 802);
  
• who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
  
• who is an illegal alien;
  
• who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
  
• who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
  
• who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or
  
• who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
  

The GCA at 18 U.S.C. § 992(n) also makes it unlawful for any person under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year to ship, transport, or receive firearms or ammunition.
Further, the GCA at 18 U.S.C. § 922(d) makes it unlawful to sell or otherwise dispose of firearms or ammunition to any person who is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition.

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Steve Scalise (R-La.): "...so many students knew this was going to happen."

That's absurd. This isn't Minority Report. No one knew it was going to happen.

Really?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi...-t-n848681

[FONT=&amp]In a statement, the FBI said "a person close to" Cruz called the agency's public tip line on Jan. 5 and left information on Cruz's "gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting."[/FONT]

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Really?

Yes, really. There is a huuuuuge difference between opining that Cruz had "the potential" to conduct a school shooting, and knowing that he actually would do it.

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Who decides which people should not be allowed to have guns? And how would it be determined? Should prospective gun buyers be required to pass a psychiatric exam?

It's already been decided and enshrined in law:

Identify Prohibited Persons

The Gun Control Act (GCA), codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms or ammunition...

Apparently you do not understand the issue. Cruz was not a GCA "prohibited person." He legally owned the AR15 he used to commit the crime. Ditto for Stephen Paddock in Las Vegas.

In order to stop nut cases like Cruz, Paddock, and others "who should not be getting any guns from getting guns in the first place" (as Paul Ryan said), new standards will be necessary.

[BjornF16]

Apparently you do not understand the issue. Cruz was not a GCA "prohibited person." He legally owned the AR15 he used to commit the crime. Ditto for Stephen Paddock in Las Vegas.

In order to stop nut cases like Cruz, Paddock, and others "who should not be getting any guns from getting guns in the first place" (as Paul Ryan said), new standards will be necessary.

Apparently you should be more precise in the question you pose. I do understand the issue...he should have been a prohibited person. There were several opportunities for him to have been declared a prohibited person.

E.g. Numerous domestic violence instances; mental defective

Many of these shooters, like Cruz, should have been Prohibited Persons. The failings are typically with local law enforcement or with lack of reporting prohibited persons to NICS. In Cruz's case, both local LE and FBI dropped the ball on numerous occasions. Twice by FBI; seemingly countless times by local LE.

Additionally:
Gabby Giffords shooter was "known" to local law enforcement over drugs and bizarre behaviors...missed opportunities.
Aurora, Colorado theater shooter was known mental defective.
Sutherland Springs, Texas church shooter already met the definition of prohibited person but failed to be reported to NICS by USAF. (Subsequent investigation found over 4,000 former military members with qualifying dishonorable discharges that were never reported to NICS).
Oregon community college shooter was known mental defective.
Virginia Tech shooter...known mental defective.

Ryan didn't name Paddock...don't think he named anyone in particular with the quote above. But he could have named quite a few that, under current law, shouldn't have had access to guns.

Would it have stopped all? Heavens no...Paddock was definitely a sleeper.

Personally, I'd rather they do a better job at enforcing current laws versus making new laws that won't be enforced.

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Yes, really. There is a huuuuuge difference between opining that Cruz had "the potential" to conduct a school shooting, and knowing that he actually would do it.

Seems to me the tipster was correct...

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Steve Scalise (R-La.): "...so many students knew this was going to happen."

That's absurd. This isn't Minority Report. No one knew it was going to happen.

Paul Ryan (R-Wis.): "We believe the best way is to focus on stopping people who should not be getting any guns from getting guns in the first place."

Who decides which people should not be allowed to have guns? And how would it be determined? Should prospective gun buyers be required to pass a psychiatric exam?

Yes. They should pass a psych exam. Or should I say we. I know peoples that shouldn’t have guns and my people and I have taken them away. Not because we think they will go school banging, but because they have no use for them.

[BjornF16]

Frightening bill (oh the horror!)

AN ACT

To reauthorize the grant program for school security in the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the “Student, Teachers, and Officers Preventing School Violence Act of 2018” or the “STOP School Violence Act of 2018”.

SEC. 2. GRANT PROGRAM FOR SCHOOL SECURITY.
Part AA of title I of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (34 U.S.C. 10551 et seq.) is amended—

(1) in section 2701 (34 U.S.C. 10551)—
(A) in subsection (a)—
(i) by striking “Director of the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services” and inserting “Director of the Bureau of Justice Assistance”; and
(ii) by striking “including the placement and use of metal detectors and other deterrent measures” and inserting “through evidence-based strategies and programs to prevent violence, which may include the use of appropriate technologies, including the placement and use of metal detectors and other deterrent measure and emergency notification and response technologies”;
(B) in subsection (b)—
(i) in the matter preceding paragraph (1), by inserting after “through” the following: “evidence-based school safety programs that may include”; and
(ii) by striking paragraphs (1) through (6) and inserting the following:
“(1) Training to prevent student violence against others and self, including training for local law enforcement officers, school personnel, and students.
“(2) The development and operation of anonymous reporting systems for threats of school violence, including mobile telephone applications, hotlines, and internet websites.
“(3) The development and operation of—
“(A) school threat assessment and intervention teams that may include coordination with law enforcement agencies and school personnel; and
“(B) specialized training for school officials in responding to mental health crises.
“(4) Coordination with local law enforcement.
“(5) Placement and use of metal detectors, locks, lighting, and other deterrent measures.
“(6) Security assessments.
“(7) Security training of personnel and students.
“(8) Subgrants to State or local law enforcement agencies, schools, school districts, nonprofit organizations, or Indian tribal organizations to implement grants awarded under this section.
“(9) Acquisition and installation of technology for expedited notification of local law enforcement during an emergency.
“(10) Any other measure that, in the determination of the Director, may provide a significant improvement in security.”;
© in subsection ©—
(i) by striking “and has” and inserting “has”; and
(ii) by inserting before the period at the end the following: “, and will use evidence-based strategies and programs, such as those identified by the Comprehensive School Safety Initiative of the Department of Justice”; and
(D) in subsection (d)(1), by striking “50 percent” and inserting “75 percent”;
(2) in section 2702 (34 U.S.C. 10552)—
(A) in subsection (a)(2), in the matter preceding subparagraph (A), by striking “child psychologists” and inserting “mental health professionals”; and
(B) in subsection (b), by striking “this part” and inserting “the STOP School Violence Act of 2018”;
(3) in section 2704(1) (34 U.S.C. 10554(1)), by striking “a public” and inserting “an”;
(4) in section 2705, by striking “$30,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2001 through 2009” and inserting “$75,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2019 through 2028, of which not less than $50,000,000 shall be available in each such fiscal year for grants for the activities described in paragraphs (1) and (4) of section 2701(b)”; and
(5) by adding at the end the following:
“SEC. 2706. RULES OF CONSTRUCTION.

“(a) No Funds To Provide Firearms Or Training.—No amounts provided as a grant under this part may be used for the provision to any person of a firearm or training in the use of a firearm.
“(b) No Effect On Other Laws.—Nothing in this part may be construed to preclude or contradict any other provision of law authorizing the provision of firearms or training in the use of firearms.”.


Passed the House of Representatives March 14, 2018.

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Apparently you should be more precise in the question you pose. I do understand the issue...he should have been a prohibited person.

If you think that whether or not "he should have been a prohibited person" is the issue, then clearly you do not understand.

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Seems to me the tipster was correct...

LOL. Everybody who has an AR15 has the "potential" to do a mass shooting.

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Yes. They should pass a psych exam. Or should I say we. I know peoples that shouldn’t have guns and my people and I have taken them away. Not because we think they will go school banging, but because they have no use for them.

Wow. Sounds like you're one of those domestic enemies of the Constitution I've heard about.

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LOL. Everybody who has an AR15 has the "potential" to do a mass shooting.

LOL. Everybody who has a car has the "potential" to do a mass killing.