I wouldn't touch an unknown-barrel listing with a barge pole.
Prices for firearms is relative. You can buy a bespoke rifle from James Purdey or Holland or Holland in London for the price of a house. Or a clapped-out second-hand plinker for $50. You might think $1K is silly but if you are also wanting precision then you can't have your cake and eat it too. Precision costs money and you need to know the provenance of the barrel.
StoneHendge Wrote:Is it safe to assume that this guy is trying to pump the gunbroker listings? Not very thankful to those who have taken time to give experienced advice,
I agree, something is up.
Knowing everthing isnt as important as knowing where to find it.
Uh, NO. Amazing how many people from CO reflect the Kalifornicated mind set that has wrecked a once fine state. Heck they voted for crooked hillary ---- what more need be said.
As to your point (wrong), I am "pumping" (whatever that means) nobody. I have looked all over the net at all the suggestions given here, and while no doubt great, they are just too expensive for a 1 moa upper.
As for being "thankful" ----- being thankful, doesn't mean you blindly follow anyone's advice ----- you say thanks (as I did) and add what they said to what knowledge is out there. I have no way to know if their advice is "experienced" ----- it's just someone's input. Just because it's on the "net" does not mean it's the last word.
Klem Wrote:I wouldn't touch an unknown-barrel listing with a barge pole.
Prices for firearms is relative. You can buy a bespoke rifle from James Purdey or Holland or Holland in London for the price of a house. Or a clapped-out second-hand plinker for $50. You might think $1K is silly but if you are also wanting precision then you can't have your cake and eat it too. Precision costs money and you need to know the provenance of the barrel.
Klem, having fondled quite a few H&Hs in my day, including my 400 H&H, I'd say they are worth every farthing.
An AR is hardly "bespoke", it's a mass produced weapon that can be improved a bit by hand work and special barrels.
As I said in post 1, I want a MOA rifle not a 1/4 MOA rifle. Tons of mass produced ARs will meet that criteria w/o spending a fortune. In fact Even my AUG will fed really good ammo.
Terms like "precision" DMS unless defined in quantitative terms.
saturn Wrote:...I have looked all over the net at all the suggestions given here, and while no doubt great, they are just too expensive for a 1 moa upper.
Granted. You want accuracy on a budget. (Don't we all?)
saturn Wrote:As for being "thankful" ----- being thankful, doesn't mean you blindly follow anyone's advice ----- you say thanks (as I did) and add what they said to what knowledge is out there. I have no way to know if their advice is "experienced" ----- it's just someone's input. Just because it's on the "net" does not mean it's the last word.
And yet, here you are, asking this group for just that. I find it somewhat ironic. Here you are, asking a group of people whose opinions you are skeptical of, about a slew of gun broker listings from people who do not disclose the manufacturers of the barrels, and then complain when they respond "unknown barrel - no confidence".
The entire premise of posing your question on the 6.5 Grendel forum is that the group would logically be slightly more educated on the subject than any other sample of people. Your unwillingness to heed or at least acknowledge their advice is duly noted. Try not to feel surprised when the reception cools, somewhat, when you continue to throw their advice back in their faces.
If it's true that we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for?
saturn Wrote:Klem, having fondled quite a few H&Hs in my day, including my 400 H&H, I'd say they are worth every farthing.
An AR is hardly "bespoke", it's a mass produced weapon that can be improved a bit by hand work and special barrels.
As I said in post 1, I want a MOA rifle not a 1/4 MOA rifle. Tons of mass produced ARs will meet that criteria w/o spending a fortune. In fact Even my AUG will fed really good ammo.
Terms like "precision" DMS unless defined in quantitative terms.
Again, thanks for the input !
Not a problem...if you are looking for 1MOA from three rounds groups, scoped, rested and from the bench, consistently then I still would not touch that upper. You might be lucky and it's sub MOA but unknown-origin barrels are anathema to this forum. It might be 1.5MOA or even 2MOA. Unlikely to be more than that if it is new. I mean, sorry for pointing our the obvious but how would we know how well it's going to shoot if we don't know who made the barrel? Likely it is not a quality manufacturer's barrel or surely the poster would be advertising this.
You are asking our advice on a gamble. What are the odds? I'd say 50:50 it's going to work out for you. You have to decide whether the price of the upper is worth the potential payout of sub-moa on the toss of the coin. 'Heads you win, Tails you lose'.
Me, I don't gamble on such things. My appreciation of guns comes from knowing exactly where every part comes from. By all means buy it however, if you feel inclined and I'll be interested to know how it shoots.
10-21-2017, 10:03 AM (This post was last modified: 10-21-2017, 10:11 AM by Sticks.)
F/B = Face Book? - Not what I would call a reliable source for reviews.
If a guy wants to spend Ford Focus money and expect Ferrari performance....More power to him.
I spent $1800 on a complete upper, and I have to pick accuracy nodes in my load ladders from 8 different 5 shot groups, .3gr increments - .5 MOA to .9 MOA, while taking shooter error into account.
That is what I got for my insane amount of money spent.
saturn Wrote:Uh, NO. Amazing how many people from CO reflect the Kalifornicated mind set that has wrecked a once fine state. Heck they voted for crooked hillary ---- what more need be said.
As to your point (wrong), I am "pumping" (whatever that means) nobody. I have looked all over the net at all the suggestions given here, and while no doubt great, they are just too expensive for a 1 moa upper.
As for being "thankful" ----- being thankful, doesn't mean you blindly follow anyone's advice ----- you say thanks (as I did) and add what they said to what knowledge is out there. I have no way to know if their advice is "experienced" ----- it's just someone's input. Just because it's on the "net" does not mean it's the last word.
You know what Ann Landers said.......
saturn:
You ask our opinions then question them because you do not know if any of us is 'experienced'?
Not sure what Colorado and California have to do with a precision rifle barrel.
Sticks Wrote:F/B = Face Book? - Not what I would call a reliable source for reviews.
If a guy wants to spend Ford Focus money and expect Ferrari performance....More power to him.
I spent $1800 on a complete upper, and I have to pick accuracy nodes in my load ladders from 8 different 5 shot groups, .3gr increments - .5 MOA to .9 MOA, while taking shooter error into account.
That is what I got for my insane amount of money spent.
Sticks - He's talking about those particular sellers Feedback ratings. Still, doesn't answer the question regarding the shooting potential of listed barrels.
OP: By all means, buy what your instincts tell you too. If you get lucky, you can congratulate yourself on getting it right. If not, well that's the chance you took.
If it's true that we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for?
Many on this board have a somewhat hipster-ish approach to their guns. I say this as someone who shares that mentality. The 6.5 Grendel is, after all, too cool for the unwashed masses to appreciate
Go on certain other sites and they'll worship at the alter of Colt ARs or Russian AKs (or Wasrs, God forbid).
Personally, I wouldn't touch Radical Firearms. They're in the same league as Bear Creek (cheap, probably "good enough", but "buy once/cry once" is my mantra these days).
I personally would go with quality over quantity given the amount of firearms you state you own. Bypass a Ruger #1 or two and invest in a quality Grendel upper rather than trying to save a few nickels and dimes on something generic. Buts that's probably my Kalifornicated mindset.
10-22-2017, 11:37 PM (This post was last modified: 10-22-2017, 11:50 PM by Cornbread.)
Check out these barrels made by BHW. https://truesportingarmsllc.com/product-...5-grendel/
They also chamber in 264 LBC which is what for what with the Grendel although it does not have the compound throat. https://truesportingarmsllc.com/product-...15/264lbc/
I have one in 18" and it's been about a 3/4 moa pole. Little better with some loads moa with others. Just make sure you verify the bolt face depth. the 264's are mainly .125. The Grendels are usually .135 but you need to verify. Mine is .125 and have had no issues. Also, ARP makes a good Grendel barrel but he is closed until mid November. I would not gamble on a cheap upper. You can spend more and get a Krieger,Lilja etc. But if you just need Moa these will be fine.
I also got an email from Joe bobs on Faxon barrels. I know they have done some group buys.I can't vouch for them. I'm sure others here can. https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/6-5-Gre...8b25633efc
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