Springfield Armory Rock River Arms trade opposition to illinois ffl licensing scheme

[explorecaves]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04...carve-out/

Anyone else see this? Big misstep by RRA and Springfield against gun owners in Illinois....

[montana]

The back lash is already picking up steam. Why these companies make deals with the devil is beyond me. S&W nearly went bankrupt after jumping into bed with prez clinton until a pro-gun ownership purchased the company and cleansed itself of all the dirty deals. Colt,Troy, Ruger also have tried and did make bargains with the devil in the past with much backlash. Magpul, DD, Glock, Barret and many other companies have stood by the Second Amendment gaining much loyalty. Cheaper than dirt is a company still hated after trying to gouge customers during the Sandy Hook unpleasantness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsoj4kL0jQQ&t=99s
These companies can do as they please but I think it is important for supporters of the Second Amendment to know which companies support Freedom and which companies don't.

[Sticks]

Make your own conclusion

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/sprin...act-sb1657

[montana]

Make your own conclusion

http://blog.springfield-armory.com/sprin...act-sb1657

If this is true I will retract everything I have stated about Springfield Armory. This could be a double cross by the IFMA. There can be consequences for joining groups who are not vetted carefully or dependable. Springfield Armory needs to immediately denounce this action publicly, not just look into it. The only thing worse than a double cross is an innocent getting accused and punished wrongly.

[explorecaves]

Yesterday, Springfield Armory made a public post claiming they didn't know that their trade association (as one of the largest members), the IFMA, was making a deal with the Illinois legislature to exempt Springfield Armory from pending heavy handed anti-gun legislation.
This same legislation they were attempting to exempt themselves from also included restrictions on Illinois gun owners limiting them to 9 transactions per year. The IFMA, with the funding of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms, changed their position from "opposed" to "neutral". This switch in their position allowed them to get the exemption deal thus clearing the way for two Senators previously opposed to the bill to switch and support it. With the support of these two Senators, the anti-gunners easily achieved the 30 votes necessary to pass the bill in the Senate.
Springfield Armory maintains they knew nothing about the IFMA's tactics of selling out Illinois gun owners to benefit Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms and even big box stores like Cabela's and Bass Pro from the new FFL licensing scheme that will most certainly put 1/3rd or more of Illinois FFL's out of business.
The other shoe dropped this morning on TTAG where their investigators unearthed campaign contributions by Springfield Armory to staunchly anti-gun politicians in Illinois. These donations would seem to be an effort to buy favoritism from these anti-gun legislators.
In my opinion, based on the reporting by TTAG and others, Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms are guilty of selling out Illinois gun owners for their own financial gain.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/05...liticians/

[montana]

Yesterday, Springfield Armory made a public post claiming they didn't know that their trade association (as one of the largest members), the IFMA, was making a deal with the Illinois legislature to exempt Springfield Armory from pending heavy handed anti-gun legislation.
This same legislation they were attempting to exempt themselves from also included restrictions on Illinois gun owners limiting them to 9 transactions per year. The IFMA, with the funding of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms, changed their position from "opposed" to "neutral". This switch in their position allowed them to get the exemption deal thus clearing the way for two Senators previously opposed to the bill to switch and support it. With the support of these two Senators, the anti-gunners easily achieved the 30 votes necessary to pass the bill in the Senate.
Springfield Armory maintains they knew nothing about the IFMA's tactics of selling out Illinois gun owners to benefit Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms and even big box stores like Cabela's and Bass Pro from the new FFL licensing scheme that will most certainly put 1/3rd or more of Illinois FFL's out of business.
The other shoe dropped this morning on TTAG where their investigators unearthed campaign contributions by Springfield Armory to staunchly anti-gun politicians in Illinois. These donations would seem to be an effort to buy favoritism from these anti-gun legislators.
In my opinion, based on the reporting by TTAG and others, Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms are guilty of selling out Illinois gun owners for their own financial gain.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/05...liticians/

It sometimes can be easy to say what others should do until it is your own family, company, lively hood in the cross hairs. I understand people and companies trying to survive by negotiating and making deals to preserve ones life's work. The problem is I have seen this before with other companies and issues that have ended in complete disasters. The left in this country has zero respect for our traditions, freedoms and opinions, especially those who oppose their socialist nightmares. They only understand strength as any tyrant or bully does. The time for negotiating has ended a long time ago. There is an old saying, "if you understand, the world is the way it is, if you don't understand, the world is the way it is". The world is ruled by force, plain and simple. These companies who try to work both sides show weakness. It reminds me of the people who have convinced themselves that Grizzly bears are not really dangerous but misunderstood. They have convinced themselves they can cohabit with them with only understanding of the bears needs and using pepper spray and hiking bells as a last resort, never carrying a firearm as it is the bears place to be a bear. Then one day out of the blue a bear charges one of these delusional hikers and grabs a hold of him, ignoring the bells and pepper spray. Now in complete horror he tries to negotiate with the Grizzly bear saying I'll give you my arm and two hands if you will spare my life. The bear completely ignores him and eats all of the delusional hiker much to his complete bewilderment and horror. Other delusional hikers will testify this is a rare occurrence and convinces all the other delusional hikers a firearm is extreme, would have done him no good and would have made the tragedy worse. Like the bear these anti gun kooks only respect strength and by negotiating with these kooks all that Springfield armory and Rock River did was show weakness which made all the other gun companies and gun owners appear weak not to mention alienate their customer base. Ask the gun owners in Australia, England, california and other numerous places how negotiating gun issues has worked out for them. STUPID!

[montana]

These are the type of kooks these companies think they will win by negotiating with. Their logic is from another world and not a very advanced one at that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-cur...72428.html

[mateba]

Bills like SB1657 are some of the worst legislation around. It undermines gun culture. SB1657 will destroy small business and create resentment towards the others that took advantage of the legislation. And passed by such a small margin too. What a shame. Is there a blacklist?

The companies that sell guns that did not appose this and stood to gain from it are culpable. That is protectionism. Its abuse of the state. Once again the candle-maker's petitioned the king to ban windows.

[Ditcher]

Don't see how they really thought this was going to end well for them. You almost can't trust anyone any more.