How much stuff is too much?

[Grendel-Gene]

Lets see.... my Grendel has backup sights, an eotech, a tactical light, a tactical forend grip, a laser and a bipod.... it now weighs a ton!!!

Have i overdone it?

How much crap is too much crap???

[OldCannon]

Don't be this guy:

[sgt_murf]

outside a tac Light or IR Light for the NVS mounted.... in my opinion gear Heavy.
Just my opinion
Most go to extremes, I had a Lt. that built his M4 mounted everything under the sun telling me my NRA Match gun was too heavy, I disagreed after pickup his rifle, so we weigh the two he exceeded my rifles weight by three and half pounds both weapons loaded (P.S. he was using a 11.5" barrel SBR with tax stamp). His response was "what if?" I just laughed walking off referring to his weapon as a gear qu*** setup.

BTW he later received orders transferring him to a state that did not allow his weapon. I razzed him about him having to sell it..... he lost money

[Grendel-Gene]

ha ha ha ! thats funny!!!!!!

[jwilson1985]

depend what you intend to use ti for? because if you really need it,outside of a range toy or to scare a intruder...in a true event that stuff is going to give away position. and get heavy = slow you and the weapon down(target engagement) that why most comp 3gun rigles are 5-6 lbs

[Grendel-Gene]

how true and well reasoned J Wilson..

My primary need is home defense and the occasional invader hog shooting. the light would be useful for hogs or even intruders at night, The laser could go, but its so small( and it does give my wife a lot more confidence if she has to use the gun since she is not really a shooter,,, i am working on that ).

The bipod can go: I only use that for target shooting; the forward grip is not indispensable... but it does give me a good place to anchor the light switch.... The Eotech has to stay... i love it.

I guess i could lose the laser if i get the wife used to the eotech....

BUT If "the barrack hits the fan", I would lose the light and regain the bipod so i can engage targets at longer ranges prone...

Hell! Thats the beauty of the rail system: It can be rigged for just about any need. I love it.

[leopard6.5]

Grendel-Gene: You also could go with one of the combo units like the Crimson Trace MVF-515.

It has a light, laser and foreward grip all in one and might save some weight.

Good luck.

Lee

[LRRPF52]

I'm working on a few projects that will smash everything into a 5.5-7lb carbine, with no external profile differences than the original guns from the early 1960's. When you put an original Colt carbine into your hands, you immediately say, "Oh, there you are..."

It's also a necessity for a home defense gun to have a high-power light on it for work in and around the house in the times when burglaries are most likely, but it sucks to have rails, clamps, pressure switches, cables, and other catch-me, spank-me doo-dads protruding from the fighting tool. Technology has matured to the point that both are possible, in my opinion...lightweight, low-profile, 21st Century capable.

[Grendel-Gene]

LRRP, I would love to see that... That would really be a breakthrough....

On SONS OF GUNS they had a guy ask the shop to assemble some very streamlined ARs with "NOTHING IT DIDNT NEED" that they called "the Katana"... They also really worked over the chamber by polishing it to make the whole rig not only light but very reliable.

[LRRPF52]

I saw that, and saw nothing new or innovative about what they did...and for the price...that was robbery. Les Baer makes flat top uppers with brass deflectors and no forward assist. The rest of the gun was basic, not even chrome-lined or nitro-carburized barrel, and a carbine-length gas with short handguard. I've seen other threads about it where everyone felt the same...much ado about nothing. To charge $1900 for a $560-$650 gun is just reprehensible, in my opinion. I could have kept it under $1300 retail easily with a top-end nitro-carburized or chrome-lined Cold Hammer-Forged barrel, a competition trigger, an adjustable gas block, a much better handguard, HPT/MPI bolt, and other high-end components, while still keeping the low-profile, lightweight package concept (which is the AR15 in its original form anyway).

I'm about to get my barrel for my 605 project from the gunsmith, so I'm one huge step closer to being done with one of the first proof-of-concept carbines I'm talking about.

[Grendel-Gene]

Yes i also thought the price was outrageous.... I enjoy the show but i am not a big fan of Will ... actually he is a rude jerk. The real talent in that operation is Vince, the gunsmith.

[LRRPF52]

Yup, the gunsmith knows his stuff. That Tommy Gun abortion they did was painful to watch.

[VASCAR2]

I've used several different lights over the years and being tight I wouldn't spend $500 plus for a Surefire grip light. After having carried an AR 15 in a patrol car and all the problems with pressure switches I've gone to a rail on my fixed front sight base. I use a LED Polytac light by Streamlight and I've had just as good of service with it has I have my Surefire nitrolons. I have my 6.5 Grendel set up just like my duty 16" 5.56 except for the sights. I have a Leupold Mark AR 3X9X40 mil dot on my 6.5 G plus a Vortex Strike Fire for close in work. I have an E O Tech on my duty rifle and Midwest Industries BUIS on each carbine. I use the factory CAR hand guard and a Harris bi pod sling swivel stud so I can use my Harris bi pod. I also use Specter SOP slings which I feel are very versatile. Nothing fancy but it has worked for me for several years and doesn't wear me out packing it around. I have small to average hands and I really never got into the quad rails and I didn't like the bulk and weight. My AR's provide enough accuracy for my use and have been very reliable and fast handling.

[stanc]

How much crap is too much crap???

I dunno. I have only the bare essentials on mine.

[sgt_murf]

I dunno. I have only the bare essentials on mine.

HEY that is the Lt. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jwilson1985]

idk that it interest many people on here but loki has a low mass bcg 1.5-20 oz lighter then jp's and still retains forward ast. that will be out soon ,that will but the 18" barreled forged 3g rifle to around 5.2 lbs, i with my grendel was that light its far from it and now that im going to the 24" varm, barrel im going to guess it will be around 15lbs

[jkingrph]

I set up a 16" carbine, med weight barrel, one of the Mapul tactical stocks, cannot remember model at the moment, Daniel defense lt rail, Adams Arms piston unit . I then added an Aimpoint m2 red dot sight, and one of the Surefire lights, large 3 cell model that puts out some light. It's heavy but I like it and I do not anticipate carrying it all day.

[fanofflyn]

So I built four Grendels, and ultralight with a Satern 16 inch ultralightweight barrel with integral flash hider, up to a bull barrel 24 incher for longer range. I use the one that fits the shooting I want to do. Versatile round, means more guns.

[Variable]

Lets see.... my Grendel has backup sights, an eotech, a tactical light, a tactical forend grip, a laser and a bipod.... it now weighs a ton!!!

Have i overdone it?

How much crap is too much crap???

Presuming you want to go on a diet....

Ditch the foregrip--you don't really need it, and there's less to snag without it.

Laser and light, if you can live with 160 lumens-- get a TLR-2s and put it on the top rail where your thumb can activate it without a tape switch. You'll need a folding front sight, but the bonus is that your laser will co-witness with your Eotech, while keeping everything minimalistic. Problem solved.

Bipod? Detach it and stow it away. Your sportin' an Eotech, so I'm guessing you're not shooting for big distance.

Example: (Mine, so I'm probably biased,LOL!!! J/K)
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[Grendel-Gene]

Nice Rig!!! Yes, i only use the bipod with the acog.... Thanks