Grendel-Gene
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A huge stray pit bull wandered onto my property yesterday. It got into the goat pasture where it was confronted by my goat dogs, a great pyrenees female and two aussie shepherd females. The fight was on. The wife was freaking out because "her babies" were gonna get hurt so i got my grendel with the eotech.... i was about 50 yards away. When i got a clear shot, i took it and the pit bull went down like a rock. I shot it in the upper torso just before the neck. My dogs got a few minor cuts and scratches, but seem fine.
Compared to my last killing experience with 3 hogs and my 223, this was a breeze. I love the Grendel... more everyday.
That's where my dog wandered...
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Pit Bulls are seldom strays. They require too much care. (I know, my wifes lap dog is a pit!)
A big pit bull at large is almost always a drug dog that someone got tired of and quit taking care of.
I don't generally advocate shooting dogs, but you did the right thing. I'm surprised you got the chance, pits typically are "wade in" no matter the odds! One of my friends says, "Pits don't always start the fight, but they ALWAYS finish it, dead or alive."
My wifes dog had no problems going after 2 much larger Dobies, when she was threatened. I was able to seperate them with the help of the Dobies owner, who was completely surprised at their response to her. They intiated the discussion, but she was more than happy to continue it to the end. She had the larger Dobie down and the second completely confused when we seperated them. They both easily outweighed her by 20-30 pounds, and yet she was definitely top dog.
Free roaming pits need to be immediately captured or, if that is not possible, put down. Not because they attack more than other dogs, (they don't), but because they do not stop once the button is pushed.
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt
Grendel-Gene,
What load did you use? Any details on the wound characteristics?
Sad story. We have a Pit Bull and she is 50lbs of love and affection. Went to the dog pound looking for another hunting dog pup after we had to put down our 12 year old Golden Retriever, only pups they had were Pit Bulls. We didn't want one because of there bad rep but the people at the pound change our mind. With proper training and socialization they make great family pets and that's true. Chili Dawg is 8 now, smart, loyal and fearless. Surprisingly, she has better hunting instincts than our Golden. This last spring I watched her tree a 350lb bear that came into the cabin and two weeks later she chased another bear off. We have a bear problem in WI.
OK, OK, I'm rambling but now that I've have a Pit Bull and know what a great pet they can be I feel the need to defend them. Pit Bulls are the Olympic athletes of the dog world and they need proper care and training. They are a lot like a firearm in the hands of an idiot it can be dangerous. Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots out there.
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Whelenon Wrote:Sad story. We have a Pit Bull and she is 50lbs of love and affection. Went to the dog pound looking for another hunting dog pup after we had to put down our 12 year old Golden Retriever, only pups they had were Pit Bulls. We didn't want one because of there bad rep but the people at the pound change our mind. With proper training and socialization they make great family pets and that's true. Chili Dawg is 8 now, smart, loyal and fearless. Surprisingly, she has better hunting instincts than our Golden. This last spring I watched her tree a 350lb bear that came into the cabin and two weeks later she chased another bear off. We have a bear problem in WI.
OK, OK, I'm rambling but now that I've have a Pit Bull and know what a great pet they can be I feel the need to defend them. Pit Bulls are the Olympic athletes of the dog world and they need proper care and training. They are a lot like a firearm in the hands of an idiot it can be dangerous. Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots out there.
10-4, absolutely the best dog we've ever had, bar none! Wonderful with kids, and incredibly protective of them. my grandkids and their friends crawl and maul her, and she just ignores it or gets up and moves away. She is not impressed with other dogs, as a rule, so we have to pay attention when other dogs or cats are around. She does accustom herself to family pets if we allow her time to realize that they are part of the pack. (Except for my dads labradoodle, who is twice her size. She just will not leave him be, so she's persona non-grata at my parents! However, she absolutely adores my dad, so it may be a jealousy thing) She's a little pit, right around 42-44 pounds, but as Whelenon noted, they are incredible athletes, and incredibly tenacious, loyal, and loving. There are no better dogs, but they require special recognition, because that incredible loyalty and tenacity can be channeled incorrectly.
There are no dog problems, though, only owner problems!
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt
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Well I have three dogs myself, so i am definitely a dog lover... but like it has been said here, once the fight is on, this one was determined to end it. Unfortunately my wife absolutely adores her dogs... (sometimes i tease her by telling her that she loves her dogs more than she loves me... ha ha , and late last night she was still crying and upset at the thought of her babies getting hurt - it was traumatic for her ), so i had no choice. I briefly considered capturing it but i just didnt want to chance getting bit. The dog had no collar, so i had no idea if it had had its shots, nothing, and I didnt feel like riding to the emergency room later.
LRRP, i used the only Grendel ammo i have, Wolf 123 soft point. One shot, clean hole, not a lot of blood, " lights out" almost instantly.
bwaites Wrote:Pit Bulls are seldom strays. They require too much care. (I know, my wifes lap dog is a pit!)
A big pit bull at large is almost always a drug dog that someone got tired of and quit taking care of.
Back a few years, I lived in the country and was walking out the door around daybreak to go to work when I was confronted by one of those drug dogs. Piece of rope tied to a chain around his neck, scrawny and growling at me. I backed up into the house and called the sheriff's office. They gave me the "all clear" to protect my home. I did not have a Grendel then, but a Ruger P85 with 125 grain hollow point works well, too.
It's just sad that people have taken this breed of dog and done so many things to it that it's reputation is ruined. I have no opinion on the them one way or another, but they are no different from other dogs that have at one point or another gotten a bad rap, whether earned or not. Rottweilers and Doberman Pinschers come to mind.
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Grendel-Gene Wrote:Well I have three dogs myself, so i am definitely a dog lover... but like it has been said here, once the fight is on, this one was determined to end it. Unfortunately my wife absolutely adores her dogs... (sometimes i tease her by telling her that she loves her dogs more than she loves me... ha ha , and late last night she was still crying and upset at the thought of her babies getting hurt - it was traumatic for her ), so i had no choice. I briefly considered capturing it but i just didnt want to chance getting bit. The dog had no collar, so i had no idea if it had had its shots, nothing, and I didnt feel like riding to the emergency room later.
LRRP, i used the only Grendel ammo i have, Wolf 123 soft point. One shot, clean hole, not a lot of blood, " lights out" almost instantly.
I think you exercised the only and wise option. As tragic as it might be, you had no alternative, and I applaud you for protecting your property.
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt
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RStewart Wrote:Back a few years, I lived in the country and was walking out the door around daybreak to go to work when I was confronted by one of those drug dogs. Piece of rope tied to a chain around his neck, scrawny and growling at me. I backed up into the house and called the sheriff's office. They gave me the "all clear" to protect my home. I did not have a Grendel then, but a Ruger P85 with 125 grain hollow point works well, too.
It's just sad that people have taken this breed of dog and done so many things to it that it's reputation is ruined. I have no opinion on the them one way or another, but they are no different from other dogs that have at one point or another gotten a bad rap, whether earned or not. Rottweilers and Doberman Pinschers come to mind.
Very true. Our city gut flinched after a "rehabbed" drug dog almost killed a 5 year old little boy. The dog should never have been allowed into regular society. The city immediately outlawed all "vicious" dogs, including Pits, Rotts, Dogo Argentinos, etc. Then a very calm police dog, this time a German Shepard, attacked another kid. Fortunately there were close adults and the injuries were fairly superficial, but it opened the eyes of the city council. Then there were attacks by a cocker spaniel which sent a kid to the ER, and then a Golden Retriever and then Lab, all sending people to the ER. The city council decided that breed specific legislation didn't work and repealed the breed specific laws. We had tried to convince them that they had a good vicious dog ordinance before, that fit state guidelines, but they ignored the dozens of people that testified against the ordinance. The only person that testified for it was a sweet little old lady who admitted that dogs just scared her.
Now its back the way it was, and everyone is much more relaxed, at least some realizing that dogs do what dogs are going to do, and that breed has nothing to do with it.
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt
here Is a similar thread where a guy had to shoot a pitbull. He used a S&W Bodyguard 380 at point blank range to the head.
Warning: graphic pictures.
http://www.bodyguard380.com/forums/viewt...?f=4&t=680
When a person snaps and goes off on people, we don't say the whole human race is the same way, so why do it with dogs?
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RStewart Wrote:When a person snaps and goes off on people, we don't say the whole human race is the same way, so why do it with dogs?
A point I made at the city council meetings. I pointed out that young men ages 17-29 were responsible for most violent crime and that I thought we should outlaw them, to the very amused laughter of the assembled audience, and the consternation of he mayor who was the power behind the ordinance. Ticked him off a bit, I did!
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt
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I've had two encounters in the past several days with a stray pit bull that has come on my property harassing my dogs and trying to figure a way to get to my goats. The first time I fired two warning shots with my XM15 right behind him as he ran off. The next day, he showed up again running the fence line trying to find a way into my back yard where my dogs were going nuts. I was wearing my G21 so I fired the first shot at the burn barrel next to where he had stopped to look my direction, and as he took off running I popped another round right behind his arse at the ground. The rocks peppered him pretty good. That's strike two. Next time, I'll finish him. No more warnings. I love dogs. I have three. But I love them enough to protect them from strays. I usually give dogs a few chances. 99% of the time it's just a one time occurrence. But three strikes and your out.
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Sheepdawg, once a dog has it in its mind to come after whatever it is that you have that he wants, a few shoots near him will not dissuade him in the long run. He will continue to look for an opportunity when you are not around. That is in their ancestral scavenging nature. .
In Texas you are legally entitled to protect your livestock.
PS: The Feds in their infinite wisdom reintroduced wolves into the wild in Montana... now the wolves are killing cattle again... Duh!!!!
i also have a pit red nose ,hes 15 months old and 94 lbs. but hes colored and taged for shots and owner, you did what you had to. but any un-colored animal is a stray to me!!! and if it in fact has a owner they are putting it at risk.
Jwilson,
I think you meant to say that your dog is "collared" , not "colored."
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I understood him... - ha ha !
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Chipping is a good idea, too.
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt
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I can't see a chip, so it better have a collar. That's usually good for a butt full of snake shot as a final warning. But I ain't gonna hesitate on a collarless stray. This pitbull just showed up out here and I've never seen it before. I've been here over 9 years. I know most all of my neighbors dogs and they are ALL ranch type dogs accustomed/acclimated to sheep, goats and other people.
Next time I see this pitbull I'm gonna smoke him up.
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