LFP Comment Thread

[lrgrendel]

I have PM'd you regarding the Naturalis.
Fantastic information and great work.....

I am very interested in the data on the Naturalis. If you need some free bullets I am happy to donate some!
Let me know.

[rickOshay]

PM answered. Thanks for the offer. So many LFPs - so little time. It's a good thing for the Grendel.

[lrgrendel]

PM answered. Thanks for the offer. So many LFPs - so little time. It's a good thing for the Grendel.

Just saw it thanks....

[s3silver]

.... So many LFPs - so little time. It's a good thing for the Grendel.

This is so true plus they are not cheap to just be playing around with. Also, you can only have so many deer tags to test true terminal performance.

[CavityBackBullets]

We are up over 200+ hogs with the Cavity Back MKZ's.
A bunch of deer, elk, coyote etc with multiple calibers.
All show the same thing.
Greater expansion (2.5 times caliber or more), 99% retention, ability to push faster than any comparable solid of the same weight, more blood loss, faster more humane kills. Sub MOA accuracy confirmed to a 1000 yards. Once you try them you will be hooked.

[Bwild97]

We are up over 200+ hogs with the Cavity Back MKZ's.
A bunch of deer, elk, coyote etc with multiple calibers.
All show the same thing.
Greater expansion (2.5 times caliber or more), 99% retention, ability to push faster than any comparable solid of the same weight, more blood loss, faster more humane kills. Sub MOA accuracy confirmed to a 1000 yards. Once you try them you will be hooked.

Gotta link?

[CavityBackBullets]

If it's OK with mods I can provide links. Pictures as well.

[Drift]

Ah.. Just so you guy know. Some of us want the lighter, shorter bullets so we can put more powder behind them. And push them through stronger bolt action rifles. And hopefully end up with better PBRs.

[CavityBackBullets]

Ah.. Just so you guy know. Some of us want the lighter, shorter bullets so we can put more powder behind them. And push them through stronger bolt action rifles. And hopefully end up with better PBRs.

Then you should try my 105 grain. The Cavity allows more powder as well as working very good with longer OAL loadings.

[rickOshay]

Then you should try my 105 grain. The Cavity allows more powder as well as working very good with longer OAL loadings.

Any hunting results with the 105 you can share?

[sneaky one]

Yes,, and some 95 grn. results. Pic and post up what you have there,Cavity back.

The 105's should be good at long range. My 105 GMX were stellar at 325 yds.

[Cali-Coon-ass]

Hi. I'm in Norcal also. Same conundrum, though I will admit to what was said earlier regarding us all eating lead for so many years in our venison. AGH! So I too have begun the process of working up loads. Before I found this posting, I tested (on paper and steel gongs) the bullet sample packs and found some TTSX. I got great groups, sub MOA, and my plate is at 360 yds. I can consistantly hit that standing off-hand. Better groups if I sand bag it. Then I read about the E-tips. I easily worked up a load in my .308 SCAR17 that is almost sniper/match grade. Took my first Russian Boar last year from 150 yards, standing off hand, at a run. That E-Tip really made a mess of BOTH hams! I didn't lead the running pig enough, but it went down anyway, though it charged me when I got close, and not very well either. Second round through the head ended that. I felt bad for not being a good enough shot at 150 yards, and worse, taking the shot on a running pig, but we had been out there for days and this was the only thing we had a shot at so I took it. I got the freezer full, and no lead in the meat! Thanks for nuthin' Jerry Brown...

Moving on, I have been trying to develop a load for my 24" AA Grrr. It took me 18 months to even get them as Nosler kept pushin' back the manufacturing dates. Then, once I got the email that Midway had them, they were gone already! I did manage to find 9 boxes, and will have gone through 2 by tomorrow afternoon. I have NOT been able to get a sub MOA grouping yet. Frustrated! That gun shoots AMAXs all in the same hole as well as SMKs. I have tried IMR 8208 XBR, and CFE223. I haven't played with the COAL yet, other than loading it to maximum length the first few batches, and reducing it to 2.170 because that's what I came up with @ .020 behind the lands from doing a shade tree measurement of where the bullet touches the lands. Before it got dark today, I got one 3 shot group at .83". I will try to replicate this tomorrow and also continue to ladder the loads till I find the most consistent load, then start trying to adjust the COAL, however, do any of you guys have any "tried and true" E-Tip loads? Tips? Recommendations?

Thanks to Rick and Sneaky and BFT for all the info and labor getting it, and thanks to Cavity and the rest of the manufacturers for having our back on this. It can't be bad that we are not eating the lead, and so it goes for the eaters of carrion as well, so the environmentalists get a free ride on this one. Perhaps our work will influence and help the rest of the hunting world, if nothing else, for that devastation these LFPs do, and the fact we aren't eating lead!

[Cali-Coon-ass]

Addendum... I must have got lucky yesterday because today my group with the same charge was 3.8 inches!!! ARG! I guess now I start to toy with COAL? Never really done that before. Help Please? I need the expertise and experience of guys with more time in this custom reloading game.
Thanks.

[rickOshay]

Finally rec'd the 85 gr TREX from Maker Bullets. Posted at the bottom of the LFP thread: http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...post149850

Hope to soon get to the range and get my own gel results - and to begin load development for all of these LFPs.

I updated the Group Photo at the top of the thread to include the two Maker Bullets: 85 and 110 gr.

[BluntForceTrauma]

This'll be cool. Look forward to the results!

[sneaky one]

A reminder to a many---- lead free will show up in your state , as a political issue sooner than later. I gave up on leaded years ago. My mindset is performance driven also.

Maybe for a varmint.- Never again on game meats.

[rickOshay]

Update - Just posted results for the 120 gr Cutting Edge MTH, 110 gr Maker TREX, and 100 gr Cutting Edge Raptor in the Sticky.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...post146390

I also reordered the thread to keep the order of smallest to largest.

[rickOshay]

The 95 gr version of the T-REX has arrived. Kindly donated by Paul at Maker. Thank you.



Here is the Maker Bullets T-Rex lineup for the Grendel: 85 gr, 95 gr, 110 gr.



Details given on the summary post: LFP Summary Post

[rickOshay]

Gel results have been posted for the 85.g and 95g T-REX LFPs by Maker. These open nicely around 1600 and 1700 fps respectively.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...-5-Grendel

I'll update the table soon.

[rickOshay]

I also wanted to address an issue that recently occurred on a different thread regarding the 118g MKZ by Cavity Back Bullets. There was some conjecture about the bearing surface of the 118g MKZ versus the 120g Barnes TTSX.

Here is a picture of the two side-by-side with them lined up roughly at the beginning of their boattails:




I took measurements of each, and here is what I found for the Barnes:
0.555" of the LFP at 0.264
0.055" groove x 3 = 0.165" of groove length
-------
0.390" of linear bearing surface

And for the MKZ:
0.500" at 0.264
0.077" groove x 2 = 0.154" of groove length
-------
0.346" of linear bearing surface.

My eyes are getting old and my measurements may differ from what others get, but I would conclude that there is no significant difference in bearing surface, with the MKZ may actually be slightly less.