Military Pistol Standard (Not a Pistol Selection)

[cory]

I've been working on a white paper that proposes a drastic change in the military's SOP for pistols. The intent is to (soon) send this white paper to my congressional reps, anyone who is willing to send it to their congressional reps, and eventually get it published. Although, I have absolutely no idea of how to go about getting a paper published.

I'm posting it here to start the conversation. I'm also posting it here for the hordes comments for a couple of days before I finalized this version.

I've had this concept in my head for a while. However, I've seen no benefit in putting on paper under the Obama administration with the prospect of a clinton administration. However now with the Trump administration I thought it would be worth my time. Mattis being appointed as the Secretary of Defense was the final factor that gave me the motivation to put this work in.

Without further ado.

[cory]

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Attached is the final baseline version of the paper I'll be sending it out. Feel free to share and send to your congressional representatives.

Okay seriously this time. Here's the correct one.

[mdewitt71]

I assume you are pushing this for the USMC mainly....
The Army has already selected its next pistol, ammo, and combat system. The Air Force and Navy have chose to follow same suit.
It's a good write up but, being that I work in the DOD Force Modernization program with Small Arms, I don't see it going anywhere as far as Dept of Army.
We have PEO Soldier and CDID for that.
Good luck though.

[cory]

I should have mention that the Army selecting a pistol before I got this out kind of shot my legs out from underneath me. I haven't refocused my efforts on the Marine Corps, but that's probably the best course from here.

[LRRPF52]

It's something that would make sense for Force Protection, since that has come to light more recently.

Nobody really did anything of benefit after the Major Hassan incident. I used to carry in violation of post rules and regulations after 9/11. I got certain CONUS intel reports that showed much more detail about the threats, to include militant groups who had stolen ambulances and were planning on using them for attacks.

We also had a tobacco smuggling ring in NC that was Al Qaeda, who were eventually arrested with arsenals of weapons and explosives in their residence. They were trucking wholesale tobacco products from NC to NYC and selling on the black market to finance terrorism.

We should have taken a more active Force Protection posture after 9/11, but instead, we relied on gate guards and vehicle inspections of everyday soldiers, while lone wolves like Hassan were allowed to remain in service and then commit mass murder on an Army post.

This would be an interesting proposal to get to SECDEF Mattis.

[mdewitt71]

I am just glad the MHS trials are over... it has been a long (and expensive) six years.
Now on to manufacturing we go....

[LRRPF52]

I am just glad the MHS trials are over... it has been a long (and expensive) six years.
Now on to manufacturing we go....

So it's a done deal, decision has really been made?

If so, welcome to 1986. I would like to have expected something much more forward-thinking in 2017, but who are we kidding?

Education levels have dropped so low, that nothing surprises me anymore.

[cory]

It's alright the USMC will lead the way as usual. haha Let's get this white paper some traction so we can get some forward thinking implemented.

[mdewitt71]

So it's a done deal, decision has really been made?

If so, welcome to 1986. I would like to have expected something much more forward-thinking in 2017, but who are we kidding?

Education levels have dropped so low, that nothing surprises me anymore.

If you ask me they really stepped on their tails when they let Sig announce it at Shot show..... Being selected and getting the system fielded are separated buy ALOT of time and procedures.
But, yes it's a done deal.
I know ALOT of Glock fanboys are hating it and complaining but, the fact is- It is what it is and the Sig is what big Army (as well as the Congressional Panel) chose.
It is a good pistol and did extremely well in the trials.
The key is Total Package Fielding (TPF) and Sig had the package that no one could beat.

[cory]

It's something that would make sense for Force Protection, since that has come to light more recently.

Nobody really did anything of benefit after the Major Hassan incident. I used to carry in violation of post rules and regulations after 9/11. I got certain CONUS intel reports that showed much more detail about the threats, to include militant groups who had stolen ambulances and were planning on using them for attacks.

We also had a tobacco smuggling ring in NC that was Al Qaeda, who were eventually arrested with arsenals of weapons and explosives in their residence. They were trucking wholesale tobacco products from NC to NYC and selling on the black market to finance terrorism.

We should have taken a more active Force Protection posture after 9/11, but instead, we relied on gate guards and vehicle inspections of everyday soldiers, while lone wolves like Hassan were allowed to remain in service and then commit mass murder on an Army post.

This would be an interesting proposal to get to SECDEF Mattis.

Getting this to SECDEF Mattis would be incredible!!! Anybody have his email address? Seriously, it may be a pipe dream, but I'd love to see this get enough traction to make it into the White House.

[mdewitt71]

It's alright the USMC will lead the way as usual. haha Let's get this white paper some traction so we can get some forward thinking implemented.

I did get to help the local Marines here get the Close Quarter Battle 1911.... that was fun to play with (although I am not a huge 1911 guy).

[LRRPF52]

Getting this to SECDEF Mattis would be incredible!!! Anybody have his email address? Seriously, it may be a pipe dream, but I'd love to see this get enough traction to make it into the White House.

You'll want some more consensus and input across the board, to include that of CID investigators, NCIS, MPs, Infantry, etc.

One major concern they are going to have is accountability of military weapons that are transferred on and off post, as well as disgruntled soldier/Marine incidents.

Will the risk to benefit ratio favor "lone wolves" who were abused by their Chain of Command, or will it favor prevention of more incidents on and off post?

I recall an incident in the 82nd where some knuckleheads drew weapons and went and robbed a bank downtown in Fayetteville.

These concerns will have to be weighed and addressed. There are certain career management fields and units that this should be happening in already who are in a different trust level, but it also raises the question of equality and the ability to defend oneself, since the military has largely failed to enhance force protection in a meaningful way.

[cory]

You'll want some more consensus and input across the board, to include that of CID investigators, NCIS, MPs, Infantry, etc.

One major concern they are going to have is accountability of military weapons that are transferred on and off post, as well as disgruntled soldier/Marine incidents.

Will the risk to benefit ratio favor "lone wolves" who were abused by their Chain of Command, or will it favor prevention of more incidents on and off post?

I recall an incident in the 82nd where some knuckleheads drew weapons and went and robbed a bank downtown in Fayetteville.

These concerns will have to be weighed and addressed. There are certain career management fields and units that this should be happening in already who are in a different trust level, but it also raises the question of equality and the ability to defend oneself, since the military has largely failed to enhance force protection in a meaningful way.

I don't disagree here. However, before we have this conversation I think we need to understand that as long as we allow children to fight our wars (18 - 21 year olds) they are going to make stupid decisions from time to time. (Yes they are still children as was I when I joined at 18 because society has not forced them to grow up and accept responsibility for themselves at that point.) On top of that, the military is huge with Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen of all different backgrounds. No matter what command does, there will be incidents from time to time. Now what is to blame for it, a pistol, a 6 pack of beer, a lightly guarded bank, or the bad decision of an individual.

As much as I hated it, I didn't include LCPLs or Private in my suggestion for off duty carry. I do think it needs to be an earned privilege, which would cut down on a lot of your concerns mentioned above. Now on duty carry by E1s, E2s, and E3s I think should be at the discretion of their immediate NCO (read Squad Leader).

Let me add that I'm seeking as much input and consensus of qualified opinions as possible.

[cory]

I did get to help the local Marines here get the Close Quarter Battle 1911.... that was fun to play with (although I am not a huge 1911 guy).

How do I get your job??? Helping the Marines, as an engineer select and source what they need is the dream job! However, I don't know if it's worth living that close to DC. haha

[mdewitt71]

How do I get your job??? Helping the Marines, as an engineer select and source what they need is the dream job! However, I don't know if it's worth living that close to DC. haha

I got really lucky when I retired from Active duty..... 7 combat tours did help though.
Luckily I don't live in nor have to deal with D.C or the Pentagon except on tele conf or emails.
I tell everyone I get to play with new toys for my job.....
Did some EOD robots last week and will do some Thermal Weapon Sights tomorrow for a week.

[stanc]

I've been working on a white paper that proposes a drastic change in the military's SOP for pistols. The intent is to (soon) send this white paper to my congressional reps, anyone who is willing to send it to their congressional reps, and eventually get it published. Although, I have absolutely no idea of how to go about getting a paper published.

One possibility for getting it published is to submit it to magazines such as: Infantry; Marine Corps Gazette; National Defense; National Guard; Army; etc.

[stanc]

Getting this to SECDEF Mattis would be incredible!!! Anybody have his email address? Seriously, it may be a pipe dream, but I'd love to see this get enough traction to make it into the White House.

Why not print out a hard copy and send it to Mattis via snail-mail?

[cory]

Why not print out a hard copy and send it to Mattis via snail-mail?

I'm thinking about sending out a few that way.

[VASCAR2]

Another option is to get your idea to someone who works at Crane. I knew Troopers who were ERT and were permitted to sign out equipment or do training at Crane (NSW Indiana). This has been 10 years ago but at that time there was a lot of training and equipment testing going on between Military and LE.

If you come up empty handed I might be able to make a couple of phone calls to a couple of LE that might have an in.

[cory]

I didn't know Crane existed until you posted about it. Now I'm intrigued by the possibility. Any idea on how to go about getting it to someone that works at Crane? Thanks!