Bolt Action Grendel

[hm2 clark]

I was able to find a Mini Mauser (sold by charles daliy and remington) barreled action in 7.62x 39. A nice enough mini action for the money

[sgt_murf]

I'm wishing I had bought one of these a while back, they are now consistently $650'ish locally. Used to be down around $400 or so.

I have not looked yet but what about gunbroker. I know sometime the Remmy 7.62x39 is listed as well as others? just a thought
found a CZ 597 listed for$540.00

[sgt_murf]

http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/
sells/ convert your Savage 223 bolt heat to PPC bolt face $25.00 to convert $75.00 buys the whole bolt head complete with extractor ejector etc ----- change barrel about 300-425.00

usually one can find a ole Savage 110 etc that can be converted reasonable.
Found this on the Net:

Savage 110 Extractor Replacement
Reason for Replacement

The Savage 110/10 extractor is made from sintered metal and slides back and forth as it snaps over cartridge rims when a round is chambered. The tip which engages the cartridge groove also slides in the groove as the bolt is opened and closed. Therefore it can and will wear over time. Also, the tip can be damaged if a round sticks for any reason. Factory replacement extractors are available form several sources on the internet - including Gunpartscorp.com, midwayusa.com and savageparts.com.

In the case illustrated below, the standard Savage extractor is replaced by a Sharp Shooter Supply "PPC" extractor. This extractor tip is slightly longer to reliabily grasp the slightly smaller "Russian" case head of PPC and 7.62X39 cartridges. As described elsewhere, I found that the standard Savage extractor would work with commercial (Winchester) ammo, but not surplus 7.62X39 ammo
The way the extractor works is that it slides in a groove in the bolt head. Underneath is is a blind hole with a spring that pushes up a small detent ball. (Looks like a ball bearing.) The detent ball keeps the extractor in place, while allowing it to move back and forth slightly. The trick in removing the extractor is to not let the detent ball fly away when you slide the extractor out of the groove..The punch is used to push the extractor towards the center of the bolt. The fingers catch the detent ball so it doesn't get lost. Later savages have a groove that goes the full length of the bolt lug. Mine is blind so that you can only slide the extractor towards the center of the bolt.My new extractor just slid into place. (The SSS extractor is a machined piece - smother than the factory standard.) It may be necessary to depress the detent ball with the end of the punch on your bolt. Just be carefull not to let the detent ball get lost!

link to article:
http://www.switchbarrel.com/Extractor.htm

[Varoum]

Did some reading on the CZ 527 6.5 Grendel conversion http://www.bing.com/search?q=CZ%20527%20...=BB07&QS=n

All and all it is a go. One think I liked best is the chamber pressure is higher in a bolt action rifle. Nice!




Here is what CZUSA has to say about selling CZ 527 chambered in 6.5 Grendel.

CZ-USA a écrit : « There are no plans to chamber the 527 in 6.5 Grendal at this time. We will forward your request to CZUB. Thx »

[hm2 clark]

The CZ 527 is a great little action. My only 2 compaints are (1) the rifle is safed when the saftey is forward, not backward and (2) All the scope rings I have found sit the scope too high. My CZ Grendel was done by Brockman Arms.

[Varoum]

All the scope rings I have found sit the scope too high.

very light
http://www.conetrol.com/images-pg/CZdt.jpg

http://www.hallmfg.com/html/scope_rings.html

[PrecisionFirearms]

We build bolt action rifles in 6.5 Grendel using Lilja Barrels and Stiller Precision Actions. Also use the Accuracy International Stock. Prices start at 3800.

[bwaites]

We build bolt action rifles in 6.5 Grendel using Lilja Barrels and Stiller Precision Actions. Also use the Accuracy International Stock. Prices start at 3800.

OUCH!!

All good stuff, but still, ouch!!

How about a version built off a Savage action as a budget model? That should come in well under $1500 and still allow a decent profit.

[Sniper20]

That would be awesome, but if I'm going to spend that much on a rig, then I'm going to go with something bigger so I can really reach out and touch someone... From what I have read/seen I think I am going to look for a bolt 6.5 Creedmoor or maybe something like the .260. I think the Creedmoor is in my favor as I'm a ginormous Hornady fan... So I think I gotta stick with what works for me.

[Varoum]

Is the CZ 527 mag able to accept OAL of 2.420? Quote below is from http://www.6mmbr.com/65grendel.html

6.5 Grendel Cartridge Specifications
Case length is 39mm. Case head diameter is .445". Case capacity is 35.0 grains of water and about 32.5 grains powder. The cartridge was developed to maximize performance in the AR15 platform. In that role, magazine-length loads are limited to 2.255" OAL. However, in single-round loading or in a bolt-action rifle, OAL can be extended with bullets up to 130 grains as far as 2.420".

[patdaly]

That would be awesome, but if I'm going to spend that much on a rig, then I'm going to go with something bigger so I can really reach out and touch someone... From what I have read/seen I think I am going to look for a bolt 6.5 Creedmoor or maybe something like the .260. I think the Creedmoor is in my favor as I'm a ginormous Hornady fan... So I think I gotta stick with what works for me.

Give the Savage 12LRP in either 6.5 Creedmore or .260 Remy a look. Fortier ran a stock 6.5 Creed. with Hornaday factory ammo thru its paces and got something stupid like a .3 or .4 print at 100. You can get them on Gunbroker for under 900 new.

[JASmith]

Give the Savage 12LRP in either 6.5 Creedmore or .260 Remy a look. Fortier ran a stock 6.5 Creed. with Hornaday factory ammo thru its paces and got something stupid like a .3 or .4 print at 100. You can get them on Gunbroker for under 900 new.

Add to that a decent scope and you get awful close to the $1500 bwaites suggested!

[Sniper20]

I would be interested to see a model 10 with this on it:

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/666123/...site-black

I think something like that would be great for what I use... (hunting and target).

[Varoum]

It is not out on the market yet but it will be soon

[video=youtube;g4X2AAqibwk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g4X2AAqibwk[/video]

[Sniper20]

Definitely sexy as stated in the video... What are the specs on that? What is the weight as well as the price (projected anyway) if you don't mind me asking... Anywhere I can read more on it?

[Varoum]

I asked them for more info. The message I got back said: We have put you on an email list. Once we are ready to provide more info. You will receive an email...

http://www.eberlestock.com/2011%20Sniper%20System.htm

[LRRPF52]

Give the Savage 12LRP in either 6.5 Creedmore or .260 Remy a look. Fortier ran a stock 6.5 Creed. with Hornaday factory ammo thru its paces and got something stupid like a .3 or .4 print at 100. You can get them on Gunbroker for under 900 new.

The Creedmore limits you to one source of brass...Hornady. I like Hornady products, and use them a lot. When it comes to brass, there are much better out there, so .260 Rem has much more appeal to the hand-loader, unless you can afford to load 1-time and throw the Hornady brass away. I get .3-.4 MOA accuracy with my .260 Auto-loader shooting 5-round groups, not 3-round, and any custom barrel/action/ammunition combination will yield sub 1/2 MOA loads in any of the (3) 6.5mm cartridges derived from the .308..i.e., the .260 Rem, 6.5x47 Lapua, and 6.5 Creedmoor. If you were to choose one of these over the .260 Rem, the Lapua would be the way to go, as it sucks less powder, and yields impressive velocities with its higher pressure limitations than either.

My partner had a custom RPA built in 6.5x47 Lapua, with a 25" barrel, and gets over 3000fps pushing the 140gr Berger VLD's. As I spotted for him in our last competition, he made numerous, consecutive, 1st-round hits on man-sized pop-up silhouettes at 900m in coastal wind conditions like it was fun with that rifle...truly impressive.

[Sniper20]

The Creedmore limits you to one source of brass...Hornady.

Can't you convert .308 brass to the 6.5 CM? I have also heard excellent reviews on the 6.5x47 Laupa. What would the price difference be? Obviously the bullets are the same, but what is a good gun to get that cal in? What is the popularity in hunting applications? I know they are great for target, but target rifles don't always make good hunting rifles...

[JASmith]

Can't you convert .308 brass to the 6.5 CM? I have also heard excellent reviews on the 6.5x47 Laupa. What would the price difference be? Obviously the bullets are the same, but what is a good gun to get that cal in? What is the popularity in hunting applications? I know they are great for target, but target rifles don't always make good hunting rifles...

Of course you can, but it's extra effort.

Further, unless you are worried about a trivial difference in barrel life, the added volume, availability of .260 ammunition and cases would seem to overwhelm the 6.5 Creedmore -- unless your really want to shoot the longer bullets seated way out and load from the magazine.

Hornady found a way to let you do that and still have close to .260 Rem ballistics by using their Superformance magic. Duplicating those ballistics with components available to handloaders may be a bit of a challenge.

[Varoum]

I love Hornady products.

I have the Hornady's 8th edition reloading book next to me. A 140gr bullet both 24in barrel 7.5 twist rate Primer WSR Cases Hornady top speed with .260 is 2700fps with all 8 powder brand listed.

6.5 creedmoor is 2725fps with 4 powder brand listed out of 13. 6.5 Creedmoor is 2700fps with 7 powder brand listed out of 13. 6.5 Creedmoor is 2650fps with 10 out of 13. And 2600fps with 13 out of 13. From the same Hornady book 6.5 Creedmoor with superformance powder is 44.7gr for a top speed of 2700fps. Similar data with 129gr, 160gr, 123gr and 95-100gr bullets. Up here in Canada the 6.5 Creemore is gone from the stores.

My choice .260R all the way and I will not look behing my shoulder. Case closed for me.

Editing: Before someone ask, the 6.5 Grendel was tested with a 14.5 barrel on an AR platform. They did tested the 140gr bullets but Quote We found that in our 14.5in test barrel that muzzle velocities of the 140gr bullets dipped low enough to preclude adequate terminal performance and for that reason we chose not to include data for the 140gr bullets. end of quote.