Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016

[Matt @ LSI]

hey everyone, we got our samples in from the Howa Factory! I had never shot the 6.5 grendel until now and i am completely blown away by this micro-powerhouse!
heres a quick video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp7dPljIYLQ

if you have any questions please feel free to email me! mhornback@legacysports.com

[Matt @ LSI]

What would be the best way to add a 20 MOA capability to the receiver? Surely Legacy will offer a rifle only option as well as the complete package....I hope.

yes we have a rifle only option.
the bases that can be used are TWO PIECE remington 700/ howa 1500 bases. so you can use a set of 20 moa bases.

[bwaites]

hey everyone, we got our samples in from the Howa Factory! I had never shot the 6.5 grendel until now and i am completely blown away by this micro-powerhouse!
heres a quick video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp7dPljIYLQ

if you have any questions please feel free to email me! mhornback@legacysports.com

Email sent!

Welcome to the forum!

[bwaites]

PS, your email has an auto reply from October on it!

[adamjp]

the bases that can be used are TWO PIECE remington 700/ howa 1500 bases. so you can use a set of 20 moa bases.

Only if they are cut to work with the Howa action. Any Remington 700 two piece base will fit, but 20 MOA bases have the cant calculated such that they only work on a Short Action or Long action depending on which length (apart) they were cut for. Putting a set of 20 MOA bases on a Howa Mini will mean your rings are NOT aligned for the scope. I do know that the Talley Ultralights work very well and the LOW size will clear a Bushnell AR scope with the bolt (I didn't think it would, but it does).


Matt, welcome to the horde. I've been playing with the Howa Mini since they were released in Australia and I have one question, two suggestions...

Question. What is the twist rate Howa specified for the Grendel? The Grendel takes the Howa Mini to a whole new level of rifle, seriously challenging the accepted norm. The Grendel in a Howa Mini is a giant killer that needs to throw from the 107/108gn match bullets (1:8 stability) through to about 125/130gn hunting bullets (1:9 stability).

Suggestion 1. Get some other stocks for these actions. Ask High Tech (the mob who do your alpine stock) to modify the Zastava m85 stock to suit a Howa Mini, get Boyds involved, get something other than that plastic stock! The Boyds Tacticool would be deadest awesome for the varmit rifles, but something lighter and trimmer is needed for the utralight hunting rifles suitable for the #1 profile Howa Mini.
Suggestion 2. Work out how to make a standard bottom metal arrangement for this rifle. The detachable magazine is a deal breaker with some older shooters who despise DBM setups.

[BluntForceTrauma]

LSI Matt, quick video is right! Only 30 seconds! Fun nevertheless and really looking forward to more developments.

Do we have tech specs on the Howa MA 65G?

1. Hoping it uses 6.5 Grendel SAAMI chamber?

2. What twist rate?

3. Magazine capacity? OK, found it in your 2015 catalog: 10 rounds.

4. Cartridge OAL allowed by magazine?

[Flyguy11]

I could buy 2 of these when produced. Looks like a great idea to move the kids from a .22 LR to a hunting round. I was considering 2 more ARs.

[GM2]

^ Same, thinking about getting one for my nephew

[Rainman]

Evolution Gun Works (EGW) makes 0 and 20 MOA picatinny rails for short and long action Howas. You can buy direct from EGW and swfa.com also sells them along with probably a few other retailers. EGW stuff is precision including the very accurate 5" 1911 they built for me on a Springfield Armory A-1 base gun in 1994 that still runs like a champ and is on its fifth recoil and firing pin spring set.

[Sputnik]

Any information on the cost? Would the cost be close to what the other Howa mini chambers go for?

[adamjp]

Evolution Gun Works (EGW) makes 0 and 20 MOA picatinny rails for short and long action Howas. You can buy direct from EGW and swfa.com also sells them along with probably a few other retailers. EGW stuff is precision including the very accurate 5" 1911 they built for me on a Springfield Armory A-1 base gun in 1994 that still runs like a champ and is on its fifth recoil and firing pin spring set.

Except that the Mini Action is smaller than the Short Action. I only know of one bloke doing rails for the Mini Action and he lives down the road from me. LSI really need to get a few thousand knocked up for the release of the Grendel.

[Sputnik]

Ok, New Years wish/wishes: A group buy from Adam's Bloke friend down the road for mini action 20 MOA rails; but more importantly a group buy for the Howa Mini!?

[mongoosesnipe]

they are not pretty but you can get pretty good moa adjustments using the burris signature rings and the onset rings you can offset 0 to 40 moa in 5 moa increments the make wherever style rings as well as turn in and double dovetail rings though your limited to 1 inch scope tube for the adjustable ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRAX5OLtJE

[A5BLASTER]

I will have one of this sweet bolt guns just as I find a dealer that will carry them and start taking orders.

[Matt @ LSI]

PS, your email has an auto reply from October on it!

yes, sorry this is a generic auto reply for when i am out of the office. i emailed you back a little bit ago.

[Matt @ LSI]

Only if they are cut to work with the Howa action. Any Remington 700 two piece base will fit, but 20 MOA bases have the cant calculated such that they only work on a Short Action or Long action depending on which length (apart) they were cut for. Putting a set of 20 MOA bases on a Howa Mini will mean your rings are NOT aligned for the scope. I do know that the Talley Ultralights work very well and the LOW size will clear a Bushnell AR scope with the bolt (I didn't think it would, but it does).


Matt, welcome to the horde. I've been playing with the Howa Mini since they were released in Australia and I have one question, two suggestions...

Question. What is the twist rate Howa specified for the Grendel? The Grendel takes the Howa Mini to a whole new level of rifle, seriously challenging the accepted norm. The Grendel in a Howa Mini is a giant killer that needs to throw from the 107/108gn match bullets (1:8 stability) through to about 125/130gn hunting bullets (1:9 stability).

Suggestion 1. Get some other stocks for these actions. Ask High Tech (the mob who do your alpine stock) to modify the Zastava m85 stock to suit a Howa Mini, get Boyds involved, get something other than that plastic stock! The Boyds Tacticool would be deadest awesome for the varmit rifles, but something lighter and trimmer is needed for the utralight hunting rifles suitable for the #1 profile Howa Mini.
Suggestion 2. Work out how to make a standard bottom metal arrangement for this rifle. The detachable magazine is a deal breaker with some older shooters who despise DBM setups.

1- we are more concerned with getting all of the available calibers in house before we venture out into developing another stock. with that said, im sure there will be more stocks available as these rifles gain popularity.

2- we will look into making a standard floor plate for these, but we will have 5 rd and 10 rd mags in stock soon. the new 6.5 grendels come with a 5 rd mag.

[Matt @ LSI]

LSI Matt, quick video is right! Only 30 seconds! Fun nevertheless and really looking forward to more developments.

Do we have tech specs on the Howa MA 65G?

1. Hoping it uses 6.5 Grendel SAAMI chamber?
yes saami spec

2. What twist rate?
the samples we received are 1-9 twist

3. Magazine capacity? OK, found it in your 2015 catalog: 10 rounds.
the grendels are 5 rounds stock.

4. Cartridge OAL allowed by magazine?

my measurement of the mag looks to be 2.30 in

[adamjp]

1- we are more concerned with getting all of the available calibers in house before we venture out into developing another stock. with that said, im sure there will be more stocks available as these rifles gain popularity.

2- we will look into making a standard floor plate for these, but we will have 5 rd and 10 rd mags in stock soon. the new 6.5 grendels come with a 5 rd mag.

Matt, thankyou for the consideration.

[Matt @ LSI]

Any information on the cost? Would the cost be close to what the other Howa mini chambers go for?

yes the prices are the same.

rifle only-
Catalog # Caliber/Description Barrel Length & Contour Magazine Capacity Stock Color Length of Pull Overall Length Weight MSRP

HMA30602+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $652.00
HMA30603+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $652.00
HMA30602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $724.00
HMA30602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 5.7 lbs $724.00

HMA60602+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $608.00
HMA60603+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $608.00
HMA60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $681.00
HMA60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 41.5” 6.0 lbs $681.00

HMA90622+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $681.00
HMA90623+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $681.00
HMA90622KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $753.00
HMA90622YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 6.4 lbs $753.00

package with nikko stirling panamax 3-9x40
HMP60602+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $753.00
HMP60603+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $753.00
HMP60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $826.00
HMP60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20” #1 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 6.6 lbs $826.00


HMP60602+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $724.00
HMP60603+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $724.00
HMP60602KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $797.00
HMP60602YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 22" #2 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 41.5” 6.8 lbs $797.00

HMP90622+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 BLACK 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $782.00
HMP90623+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 GREEN 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $782.00
HMP90622KHC+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 HIGHLANDER 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $855.00
HMP90622YOTE+ 6.5 Grendel 20" #6 5+1 YOTE 13.87” 39.5” 7.4 lbs $855.00

[Doon]

Is there a lefty model in the making and if so when?