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Need advise on these two triggers please.
My 6.5 has the RRA NM and it's the first two stage trigger I have ever used, and I noticed my group's seem to open do to not being very comfortable with using the two stage.
Is there any tips the horde can give to help me improve my shooting with a two stage trigger?
And I have read lots of reports of the SSA-E being the way to go in a two stage should I upgrade and learn how to use a two stage trigger with the SSA-E?
Thanks for all the advice in advance bro's.
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One of the members here has a tool that allows you to do dry fire practice without having to rack the charging handle. I'd highly suggest it. A dozen or so half hour sessions of dry firing will get you use to the 2 stage trigger. Then you'll wish you had done it a long time ago.
I have to no experience with the RRA triggers, but I have a SSA-E in one of my ARs. It really is an incredible trigger.
So what are you going to be using this AR for and what exactly is it you don't like about the 2 stage triggers?
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The Geissele triggers are built with steel and machining methods that maintain sear surface hardness for a very long time, whereas the RRA's are known for losing their surface after a few thousands cycles.
I have one that is very unpredictable when it breaks, like an AK trigger, so it is very difficult to group with.
The Geissele triggers are the ones I prefer when doing accuracy testing. I frequently have been able to rapid-fire into sub 1/2 MOA with them. Setting up the position so that the 1st round doesn't break the position apart is a huge factor in being able to shoot a fast, sub 1/2 MOA group.
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I do not profess to be an authority on ar triggers, and have used stock triggers with less than satisfactory results as most have. tried one of the "alg " that I thought was worse than the stock unit. Some say a single stage will not hold up to constant use, but I guess my Timmney 3 lb didn't get the memo, it's doing fine after several thousand rounds down range without any adjustment needed. Top tier 2 stage triggers for me allow that last moment sight alignment before hammer drop. I think practice is more important as long as equipment is good. And you can teach yourself to almost disregard the first stage of the pull. I prefer single stage, and have wondered if two stage is better why don't you see them on bolt guns ? Of course the bottom line is you will not be happy untill you reach the level of satisfaction that suits you.
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Yes, I personally prefer single stage, and the Timney 3lb has one of the best single stage breaks on the market.
The biggest problem with the Timney is the hammer mass, which is way too big. The Pre-Ignition Vibration from that hammer makes shooting groups very difficult with the Timney, even from solid bagged positions.
If they went to a lower mass hammer that doesn't break, I'd be a customer.
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Ooh I don't dislike anything about it at all, just have never used a two stage trigger before and was looking for any advice are tips that could help me with my learning curve with it coming from only shooting single stage timmeny and savage and Remington triggers.
And if the ssa-e is worth changing too and learning to shoot a two stage with it, my rifle is used for hunting and target out too 600 yards.
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I'll second what Cory mentioned about the Dry Fire Device, manufactured and sold by dmsims21.
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...#post95433
I happen to own 2 of the RRA NM 2 stage triggers, as well as a Timney 3# and a Geissele SSA-E. I prefer the SSA-E, the Timney and the RRA's in that order. The problem with the RRA's is that they feel quite heavy compared to either of the other two. I applied some Shooters Choice red grease, which seemed to help, but a spring kit is definitely in their futures.
The SSA-E, on the other hand, is great. Wish I'd gone with it, first. That way, I wouldn't have needed to argue with the RRA's for as long.
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(This post was last modified: 12-17-2015, 12:09 AM by Jakal.)
Basically with a 2 stage (any make) you will pull up until you feel a stop (this is the first stage), then the next squeeze (2nd stage) is sending the round downrange. Some people like a 2 stage because they know when the gun will go off. I prefer this over a single stage.
I have not tried the dry fire device, I split the receivers and practice trigger pull using my thumb to catch the hammer and just pull the hammer back to the reset position and pull the trigger again. Easy to do once you get the hang of it. You want to recognize the difference between the 2 stages. Remember...pull up and then squeeze. Don't jerk the trigger thru both stages.
If you are flinching, go to a light single stage that way you will break the flinching habit, not knowing when the round will go off.
I have both the SSAE and the RRA 2stageNM. I like the SSAE better, the RRA is a little gritty and creepy (like my brother-in-law)!
Get used to the RRA before dropping the cash. You may decide you like your single stages over a double stage.
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Jakal Wrote:I like the SSAE better, the RRA is a little gritty and creepy (like my brother-in-law)! ^^^This. 
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What is right for someone may not fit others preference-cars, jeans, and triggers. That said, the SSA-e is a great trigger for accurate shooting, but not so light I'd hesitate to take it to the woods (it is not a dedicated target trigger).
As stated above: Get on target. Safety off. Natural pause in breath. Take the slack out (pull through the first stage stopping when it hits the wall). Any further movement beyond this will fire the round, so there is absolute control. Should things not be lined up, release and begin again. Writing this seems like it is a slow long process - it is not. Although when learning slow is the way to go.
Using the tip of your trigger finger on the lower third of the trigger may be helpful. Another tip is to move the trigger straight back, think press rather than pull. I find it useful to keep the thumb on the trigger hand relaxed as it seems to aid in keeping the rifle steady in the last milliseconds.
Longer range and shooting for accuracy is where I find it excels. Still it doesn't limit quick shooting - Should a coyote pop out at close range and be departing fast, I am not opposed to pulling straight through as if it was a single stage.
Key is becoming accustomed to the trigger and exactly what it feels like.
I think you will see the SSA-Es virtue is predictability after some time with it. Good luck.
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I think I will just leave the rra trigger in the rifle for now and get some more range time with it.
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LRRPF52 Wrote:Yes, I personally prefer single stage, and the Timney 3lb has one of the best single stage breaks on the market.
The biggest problem with the Timney is the hammer mass, which is way too big. The Pre-Ignition Vibration from that hammer makes shooting groups very difficult with the Timney, even from solid bagged positions.
If they went to a lower mass hammer that doesn't break, I'd be a customer.
Would there be any problem with grinding away some of the excess mass from the back of a Timney hammer?
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