New Howa Micro Action- POLL ADDED

[Doon]

The 223 micro action has appeared in New Zealand.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-...970956.htm

[VASCAR2]

Wow, that looks great, I'd really like to try one in 6.5 Grendel, I'm hoping this will be Howa's next caliber to hit the market.

[adamjp]

223, 204 and 7.62x39 ones are on the shelves here in Australia.

Available as barrelled actions, stocks should be on the shelves this week or next.

One bloke bought one in 223 and through the deft use of a hacksaw, putty and some screws got it into a Ruger 77 stock for initial trying out. He really likes it and has since ordered a 7.62x39mm one, with a notice to the importer that he wants the Grendel version NOW.

[am4966]

A Distributer I use has the. 223 and. 204 listed, out of stock as of Lastnight.

[southern180]

What calibers would work for the 6.5 bolt face, if you bought the action with barrel just to re barrel it , I know 7.62x39 works but what others

[rabiddawg]

I copied this from another site.

Found this elsewhere and from looking at my shell holder reference chart it appears to be correct. Only difference is the shell holder chart doesn't state long or short action.

Bolt face diameters cheat sheet
Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .384 +/-
17 Remington
204 Ruger
222 Remington
223 Remington


Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .470 +/-
225 Winchester
22/250 Remington
6mm Norma BR
243 Winchester
250 Savage
260 Remington
6.5/284 Norma
7/08 Remington
284 Winchester
300 Savage
308 Winchester
338 Federal
35 Remington
358 Winchester


Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .540+/-
223 WSSM
243 WSSM
25 WSSM
7mm Remington saum
7mm WSM
300 Remington saum,
300 WSM
325 WSM
350 Remington Mag.


Long actions with a bolt face .DIA of .470 +/-
220 Swift
6mm Remington
240 Weatherby Mag
257 Roberts
25-06 Remington
6.5x55 Swedish
270 Winchester
7x57 Mauser
7x64 Brenneke
280 Remington
30/06 Springfield
8mm Mauser
338/06 A Square
35 Whelen


Long actions with a bolt face .Dia of .540 +/-257 Weatherby
264 Win Mag
270 weatherby Mag
7mm Remington Mag
7mm Weatherby Mag
7 STW
7mm Remington Ultra Mag
300 H & H
300 Winchester Mag
300 Weatherby Mag
300 RUM
303 Brit
8mm Remington Mag
338 Winchester Mag
340 Weatherby Mag
338 RUM
375 H & H
375 Weatherby
375 RUM
416 Remington Mag
458 Winchester Mag
458 Lott


Long actions with a bolt face .Dia of .585 +/-
30/378 Weatherby
338 Lapua
338/378 Weatherby
378 Weatherby mag
416 Rigby
416 Weatherby Mag
460 Weatherby Mag
470 Nitro Express

[JASmith]

There's a bunch. A quick search of Ammoguide.com shows 23 cartridges with rim width is equal to .441 ± .003 and case length is less than 1.76 inches.

For starters, we have the PPC line, some of which are factory standard rounds.

The Grendel cartridge has been wildcatted in every caliber from .20 through, I think, .35 caliber.

The .220 Russian, a stepping stone from the 7.62x39 to PPC and then the Grendel would certainly work.

The rim width and magazine length would also accommodate the .38 special, .357 Magnum, and .357 Maximum cartridges. These cartridges have a following in rifle and AR shooting circles.

[southern180]

adding all this $$$ up , I just wish for someone to market a 6.5G bolt gun all put together,
Wish List
MDT chassis 499.00
Howa 1500 500.00
Lower rec 98.00
Barrel 300.00
Furniture 200.00
GS work for barrel 300.00 ====== around 1900.00

[JASmith]

Try starting with a Savage and a drop-in barrel. You might be able to grt by with under a kilobuck including scope.

If you don't mind single-shot, Bullberry Barrel Works can make a nice one for for a bit more.

[southern180]

just cant bring myself to go savage

[JASmith]

just cant bring myself to go savage

I can relate!

Even after shooting a few hundred 20 Grendel rounds through mqy Model 16, I still find the rear of the bolt to be plug ugly.

Rifle shoots well enogh that I have learned to ignore it!

My TC Encore by Bullberry Barrel Works runs like a charm too. They guarantee 1 moa with factory ammunition. The rifle definitely turns in decent groups even with my inexpensive Sightron 3-9x S-1 scope. I have gotten under 1/2 moa a few times but can find loads and wind conditions where the group size gets larger than 1 moa.

BTW, my work with Encore is for velocity and pressure measurements so accuracy has been a secondary consideration.

[southern180]

Ok going to look at a howa 1500 in 243 tomorrow, used but in good shape Im told ? thinking about a Pac-nor barrel

Any input on the barrel ????? its Pac-nor or Lathor Walther both about the same money

[Drift]

I have grendel barrels in both. I think I like the Pac Nor a little better. It seems to me that every 15th or so round the LW throws a "flyer". If you can call 1 inch away a flyer. Or maybe its just my shooting , both shot 1/2 groups when new.

[JASmith]

It looks like neither offers the SAAMI chamber as standard. As Drift points out, that is not necessarily a detriment, especially since a bolt gunt gives more latitutude with respect to COAL, especially when the magazine is set up for the .243 Win.

PacNor did my 20 Grendel barrel, and I have been very happy with it.

[bwaites]

I have grendel barrels in both. I think I like the Pac Nor a little better. It seems to me that every 15th or so round the LW throws a "flyer". If you can call 1 inch away a flyer. Or maybe its just my shooting , both shot 1/2 groups when new.

Interesting, because this is a fairly common with LW barrels, multiple people have noted it. I had a great LW barrel in my first Grendel, but my shooting buddy, with a near identical setup, had that exact experience. I think we had a long thread on this on the old site.

[ramslammer]

G'Day
Had a micro Howa in my hands today. It was .223 but feels pretty good and still think I'll seriously look at one in Grendel if they happen.
Juddy

[southern180]

It looks like neither offers the SAAMI chamber as standard. As Drift points out, that is not necessarily a detriment, especially since a bolt gunt gives more latitutude with respect to COAL, especially when the magazine is set up for the .243 Win.

PacNor did my 20 Grendel barrel, and I have been very happy with it.

Have talked with both makers about the chambers, both clam they do 6.5 G they call them both match and say its same reamer , Im told they do thr chambers on the deep side to allow the GS to cut the end of the end of the barrel to the correct head space for the action. both the CZ and Howa have no shoulder on barrel and seat on a ridge inside the rec. ring. the barrels Im looking at are replacement barrels not blanks. Thanks for the input and anymore would help

[am4966]

If your looking for barrels- x caliber barrels makes a grendel barrel, the Smith who told me about them. Said there in same ball park as Shilen and he sold Shilen. I don't know what the chamber demnsions are. But I just remembered lol. I think I'll email them and get info.

[adamjp]

Howa Micro Action Photos...

Howa Short Action v Howa Micro Action
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Howa Micro Action
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Howa Micro Action DBM
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The receiver is about 180thou less width, the bolt about 70 thou less dia. although still .62 in.

The DBM is all plastic, with the magazine release on the front.

Front and rear bridge have been profiled for Rem700 bases.

Trigger assembly appears to be standard Howa.

Bolt handle is scaled to the action size and is different to that found on the normal rifles.

[SIZE="4"]Simply gagging to be Grendelised.[/SIZE]

[VASCAR2]

Thanks for posting the pictures adamjp! Now if Howa would just get the 6.5 Grendel's to the distributors. I think I'd like to try a Howa 20" bull barrel 6.5 Grendel in a Houge over molded stock. From your pictures the 1500 Micro Action 223 looks like it had the 22" tapered barrel, is that correct?