Ar pistol trunk gun concerns?

[dammitman]

that's the coolest car door ever,,,,,

[Kswhitetails]

Does that glass look like bullet proof glass to anyone else? The bolstering around the glass makes it look thicker if nothing else. The doors are definitely reinforced.

And, I am thinking this would make a hell of a Town Car door panel replacement, as mine are due for it anyway... >.<

[stanc]

Does that glass look like bullet proof glass to anyone else?

Yup. Armored Mercedes.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/govert1970/8709821928/
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[98Z]

^^^^ Nice rigging on the car door!

12.5 Grrr got a sling. It rides with me daily. Comes in at night. Everybody thinks I love tennis.

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[stanc]

Ok, so I'm trying to think threw the pro's and con's of an AR Pistol,...Never held one or shot one so trying to anticipate uses before I start spending money on components. I don't know if I would ever use it for the reasons most state.

You mean, doing a John McClane, and fighting terrorists or stopping a mass shooting? Yeah, the odds are that those who do carry an AR pistol will never be in such events, either.

It's actually kind of a shame, because if there were frequent use of AR pistols (or rifles) to stop such attacks, it conceivably could cause some folks to look more favorably on AR's.

Those of you that say you use it as a "trunk gun"
1) How do you store it in the vehicle?
2) are you concerned about accidental discharge? Floating pin on a locked and loaded firearm bouncing down the road?
3) We have had vehicle break ins in my area, do you keep it in 24/7 or only in certain situations? remove it daily?
4) do you consider it a primary or secondary option as a defensive weapon?

Those that store it in a pack for concealment/transport how easy is it to access?

A long time ago, I knew someone who -- like the AR pistol guys -- also wanted to have something more capable than his CCW handgun with him "just in case" he were to need more.

He opted for a compact 9mm SMG, stowed in a cheap vinyl, open-top, portfolio-type briefcase, kept under the driver's seat when in his car, carried innocuously in hand when on foot.

The spring-loaded opening of the portfolio case stayed closed to prevent passersby from seeing the gun, but allowed instant access to it. Don't know if it would work with an AR pistol.

[98Z]

You mean, doing a John McClane, and fighting terrorists or stopping a mass shooting? Yeah, the odds are that those who do carry an AR pistol will never be in such events, either.

Stan, this is starting to look like one of the 2A threads, with your responses.

The ability to respond with an AR, pistol or rifle, is about as rare as the attacks on people with an AR, pistol or rifle.

If more people lawfully carried an AR, pistol or rifle, those numbers would change. You would see AR attacks, and you would see legal, law-abiding citizens respond with the same platform. That's a "statistics" game. Look at how many people respond with personal firearms during a shooting. You can look no further than the LATEST school shooting, in Maryland. Bad kid with gun shot one round, wounded two people (one later died). SRO responded immediately, and got a round off that hit the shooter's gun, as the shooter fired his second round into his own head. Over. The Coward Of Broward should have been so brave.

Sutherland Springs, in case you forgot, like the rest of the country did, as soon as main stream media stopped covering it. AR church killings with an AR were stopped by a law abiding citizen, who responded with an AR and shot the bad guy. With his AR. Nobody can argue that the bad guy got shot, and he stopped shooting innocent people when he got shot. Game over, it wasn't fun anymore for him, and he fled. 26 killed and 26 wounded. Higher numbers than the Parkland shooting, which has drawn too much attention, and this atrocity in Sutherland Springs was "overlooked." Because a good guy with a gun stopped it from getting worse than it was lookin' to be. Had Stephen Willeford not been there, it's probable that the shooter would have killed everyone inside that church. But he was interrupted...

I will carry both. I carry a pistol daily, almost - ALMOST - everywhere I go. I try my hardest to avoid areas that I can't carry in. My hardest. I carry the rifle/pistol as well. The 9" 300BLK pistol has recently been replaced with the far superior 12.5" Grendel If it's not with me, it's near enough to get to, and I have enough pistol ammo to get to it.

I live near/drive through Phoenix everyday, for work. Lots of miles. When the I-10 shooter was active, I changed my truck carry. I still had the pistol, on right hip where it belongs. I swapped out a short gun for a Mk12 in a case, in the extended cab of the truck. It wasn't for me - it was for the people in front of me. Would it have made a difference? I don't know, but I drove to and from work everyday, and hoped I didn't have to find out. Had cars in front of me been shot on I-10, during the commute, I wouldn't have hesitated for a second to search for the source, I can tell you that.

[stanc]

The ability to respond with an AR, pistol or rifle, is about as rare as the attacks on people with an AR, pistol or rifle.

I'd call it a much more rare event. An almost non-existent event, actually.

If more people lawfully carried an AR, pistol or rifle, those numbers would change. You would see AR attacks, and you would see legal, law-abiding citizens respond with the same platform.

Yeah, that's what I said would be nice to have happen.

Look at how many people respond with personal firearms during a shooting.

Very few?

You can look no further than the LATEST school shooting, in Maryland. Bad kid with gun shot one round, wounded two people (one later died). SRO responded immediately, and got a round off that hit the shooter's gun, as the shooter fired his second round into his own head. Over.

The trouble is, there are two major flaws with that example. First, it was an on-duty cop armed with a conventional handgun, not a private citizen with a concealed AR pistol.

Second, the cop failed to prevent the crime. The shooter was already done shooting innocent victims, and was in the process of committing suicide when the cop opened fire.

Sutherland Springs, in case you forgot, like the rest of the country did, as soon as main stream media stopped covering it. AR church killings with an AR were stopped by a law abiding citizen, who responded with an AR and shot the bad guy. With his AR. Nobody can argue that the bad guy got shot, and he stopped shooting innocent people when he got shot. Game over, it wasn't fun anymore for him, and he fled. 26 killed and 26 wounded. Higher numbers than the Parkland shooting, which has drawn too much attention, and this atrocity in Sutherland Springs was "overlooked." Because a good guy with a gun stopped it from getting worse than it was lookin' to be. Had Stephen Willeford not been there, it's probable that the shooter would have killed everyone inside that church. But he was interrupted...

Uh, no. The shooter was shot after he had done the slaughter and was leaving the church. The mass shooting was not interrupted, let alone stopped, by Willeford.

Willeford certainly deserves credit for keeping the killer from getting away unscathed, but let's not engage in historical revisionism as to what he actually achieved.

I will carry both. I carry a pistol daily, almost - ALMOST - everywhere I go. I try my hardest to avoid areas that I can't carry in. My hardest. I carry the rifle/pistol as well. The 9" 300BLK pistol has recently been replaced with the far superior 12.5" Grendel If it's not with me, it's near enough to get to, and I have enough pistol ammo to get to it.

I live near/drive through Phoenix everyday, for work. Lots of miles. When the I-10 shooter was active, I changed my truck carry. I still had the pistol, on right hip where it belongs. I swapped out a short gun for a Mk12 in a case, in the extended cab of the truck. It wasn't for me - it was for the people in front of me. Would it have made a difference? I don't know, but I drove to and from work everyday, and hoped I didn't have to find out. Had cars in front of me been shot on I-10, during the commute, I wouldn't have hesitated for a second to search for the source, I can tell you that.

And you just confirmed my point. You were never on the scene when the I-10 shooter was active, you have not been present for any past mass shootings, and odds are you never will in the future.

Now, if you want to routinely carry an AR SBR ... er, AR "pistol" ... I say great, more power to you. I'd probably do the same, if I were able. But, I do not kid myself into thinking it's likely to matter.

[StoneHendge]

When Push Comes To Shove, this is a 40 cal Sub2k and ten 15 round mags.

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Enough to give Diane Feinstein an aneurysm.

[BCHunter]

When Push Comes To Shove, this is a 40 cal Sub2k and ten 15 round mags.

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Enough to give Diane Feinstein an aneurysm.

I had looked at the sub2ks wanted a 9mm, could only find the gen 2 40's locally. Nice system you have.

[98Z]

The trouble is, there are two major flaws with that example. First, it was an on-duty cop armed with a conventional handgun, not a private citizen with a concealed AR pistol.

Second, the cop failed to prevent the crime. The shooter was already done shooting innocent victims, and was in the process of committing suicide when the cop opened fire.

How many rounds did the kid have in his magazine, Stan? How many spare mags were on him?

[stanc]

How many rounds did the kid have in his magazine, Stan? How many spare mags were on him?

Don't know, don't care, because it's quite immaterial. He was unable to shoot anyone else after killing himself.

[Tex Nomex]

Yet another poisoned thread...
smh

[98Z]

Yep, exactly. Somehow Stan knew the killer's intent, and declared that the shooting was over.

My opinion is: unless one knows how many rounds were remaining, you can't really assess that and declare it as fact. Bad guy with gun was stopped during his activity, by good guy with gun. It should also be noted that the SRO responded very, very quickly to this incident, and with "fire for effect."

[Kswhitetails]

Back to the subject at hand:

I wouldn't ever worry about AD on a dropped or bumped AR. If this has ever been an actual issue, we'd know about it. AR's see service in the roughest places, in circumstances with the wildest demands on equipment, without such events being common. If the safety is on, the force required to make the pin strike the primer on a chambered round is so high, I can't fathom it. While possible, the likely hood is so low, that I wouldn't worry.

As far as the theft issue, an inconspicuous case, as already posted, would be most of the solution. I say most, because there's never any guarantee as far as pilfered goods goes. Just approach this with the same logic you use with any other item you leave in the car. I few months in, and you'll start trusting it like you do with the forgotten items you've been leaving behind all along. I wouldn't make a trunk gun out of an 80%, so that it would be factory serial #'d. I don't even want to think about having to report a gun stolen that - didn't have a serial number, that was loaded and ready, that had been stashed under the back seat and concealed...

Mine will have a custom viola case in which to reside, or some similar way to disguise it's actual form.

You will want some way to tie it down, so that it doesn't move or bounce on rough roads or under heaving braking/maneuvering. I plan on some large velcro squares on the bottom of the case and on the car wherever it finally takes up residence.

My intent is to have something at the ready for coyotes, or game I come across I can park and stalk across a field. I don't anticipate using it in any way as a defensive weapon, I carry my sidearm for that. If I win the unlucky lottery and wind up wanting it in such a situation, well it will be waiting on me to make that call I guess. Whats the saying, better to have and not need, than need and not have?

[wideglidejoe]

Lots of good thoughts/opinions here, I enjoy reading/digesting all of them.

My personal preference; My EDC is a full size Kimber Custom 1911 .45, carried in Condition 1. It goes everywhere I go, unless I go into my son's school or any city/state/federal bldg. that prohibits it, then its in the car for a few mins. It goes with me into places such as malls or restaurants that have stickers on the door stating no guns, but concealed means concealed, and in my state, they can just ask me to leave, its not a felony. It's heavy (steel frame), but I love it, and I realize with a single stack mag, I need to carry a spare mag, so I do.

With situations such as Ferguson, MO, and more recently Sacramento, etc., a person COULD need more than two single stack .45 mags, but I always try to avoid places like that, I don't go looking for trouble. But IF trouble finds me, what to do? AR pistol. My first pistol upper is a 10.5" 5.56, I built it as a curiosity/range toy, but it has evolved. It now has a LAW folder and a Tailhook brace. When I take it in a vehicle, it goes in a Wilson tennis racket bag, b/c I can carry it loaded since its a pistol, but I can't carry a rifle or SBR loaded in a vehicle in my state. If I take it out of state, I don't have to get permission like I would a SBR. Now I've put together a 12.5" BA 6.5 Gr upper for it. I'm still in the process of fine tuning it, starting out trying a different buffer/spring combo, trying to avoid drilling the gas port larger, but I will if I need to. The way this thing feels and carries with a LAW folder & Tailhook, with a 12.5" barrel and a 2-7X32 scope and 45* BUIS, I'm thinking this is gonna be my most favorite AR of all!

I have a close friend who's an ex.mil LEO who lives down the street, I was showing it to him. With the LAW unfolded and the 12.5" barrel, he said "It's nice, but what's the point, why not carry a 16" carbine or SBR?" I said "can I carry either of those loaded in the cab of my truck?" He can! "Can I carry a SBR out of state, unexpectedly/unplanned, in the middle of the night?" Problem solved! The balance and feel of this 12.5" pistol may become my short range deer/hog gun, only bringing out the 18" 6.5 Gr for longer range hunting and target work.

[98Z]

^^^ My sentiments, exactly. To a "T" on every bit of it.

[BjornF16]

Uh, no. The shooter was shot after he had done the slaughter and was leaving the church. The mass shooting was not interrupted, let alone stopped, by Willeford.

Willeford certainly deserves credit for keeping the killer from getting away unscathed, but let's not engage in historical revisionism as to what he actually achieved.

You're WRONG Stan...

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/11/07/s...loss-life/

Up to that point, Farida Brown had sustained only shots to her legs. But as the shooter fired into the woman next to her, she prepared to be slain.“Then she thought that it was her turn,” David Brown told The Post. “She just started praying.”…

At that moment, she heard a shot fired from a different man, at the front door.

The majority of news stories don't contain the full events. Willeford ran up to entrance of the church and shot once at the dirtbag, interrupting his slaughter. He then ran back into parking lot and took cover behind a vehicle as the dirtbag saw him at the entrance and moved towards him.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation...71107.html

“He saw me and I saw him,” Willeford told the station.

It was Willeford’s presence that distracted Kelley.

[BjornF16]

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But when the facts don’t line up with your narrative, just do what Slate does. Try to downplay them and make up your own.

"First, the “good guy with a gun” argument usually posits that more guns means these good guys can stop the violence before it leads to mass casualty. But, as heroic as Willeford was, he didn’t stop the shooting at First Baptist Church—it was already over. Authorities have said Kelley essentially shot everyone in sight, killing at least 26, and encountered Willeford only once he left."

[FONT=&amp]I’m sure many are willing to take the writer at her word. But, we’re gonna go with the word of someone who was actually there, instead.

[/FONT]"As Farida Brown lay on the floor in the last row of pews in Sutherland Springs First Baptist Church, the 73-year-old woman felt certain she would be the next one killed. At that moment, she heard a shot fired from a different man, at the front door.

The other man was Stephen Willeford, who lives near the church. Willeford, a certified shooting instructor, grabbed his own rifle and raced out of his house barefoot.

It was Willeford’s presence that distracted Kelley."

[LRRPF52]

Ok, so I'm trying to think threw the pro's and con's of an AR Pistol,...Never held one or shot one so trying to anticipate uses before I start spending money on components. I don't know if I would ever use it for the reasons most state. And that building a 16" carbine as light as possible who be sufficient for my needs? Which is primarily hunting and varmint/predator control.

Those of you that say you use it as a "trunk gun"
1) How do you store it in the vehicle?
2) are you concerned about accidental discharge? Floating pin on a locked and loaded firearm bouncing down the road?
3) We have had vehicle break ins in my area, do you keep it in 24/7 or only in certain situations? remove it daily?
4) do you consider it a primary or secondary option as a defensive weapon?

Those that store it in a pack for concealment/transport how easy is it to access?

any pictures of your soulution for secure vehicle storage would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Gents, let's keep all responses limited to the OP's questions, not political or other derailing topics.