New Announcements from the Big 3 meetings in Kansas!

[blackfoot]

The case is also too fat have anything but a small capacity magazine.

[Roguer]

Well its about time some one got it SAMMIed or C.I.P.ed! I said it before the first one to SAMMI the 6.5 ect. would be the winner of the "Official Cartridge. And its a Grendel. The .264 LBC had the inside track as any one could make it, but it seems the 6.5 Grendel's release finally gave it that burst of speed to the finish line.

Since its officially SAMMI Certified now the gun makers, who are told by their lawyers what they can chamber and sell for "safety reasons", can start making them! I'd like to see a Mini-14 in 6.5 Grendel myself, I love them Garand style actions. When I read about Grendelizer's converted Mini -14, I was a bit jealous. Its now just up to the gun makers to chamber it in their platforms. Also its release and it being CERTIFIED SAMMI the ammo makers will start producing it more I bet.

The 6.5 Grendel is now an "Official SAMMI" cartridge and things can only get better for it from what see.

[Dogue]

Certainly good news...and about time. Looking forward to some plinking ammo, although I'll likely still reload most of my Grendel rounds.

[warped]

It is a relief to be able to discuss this in the open and also to tell the naysayers that their efforts were for no effect.

[RStewart]

and also to tell the naysayers that their efforts were for no effect.

No matter what happens, some will never change their opinion. They have put so much effort into putting it down, that to admit they were wrong would be too much for their fragile egos.

[Drifter]

As somewhat of a latecomer to the cartridge, I feel somewhat in the dark. What exactly have the so-called naysayers been saying?

The only negative comments I recall pertained to the licensing requirements, and how they limited growth of the cartridge. Now it appears that the requirements will be lifted, albeit somewhat late in the game. Otherwise, discussions seemed to be merely Ford-Chevy type stuff.

I guess only AA knows why now is the time. As for SAAMI, were not the requirements met months ago, and the holdup was the licensing since SAAMI will not approve a cartridge with such constraints / restrictions?

Please, by all means, set me straight if my impressions are flawed.

[warped]

Now that it is a SAMMI approved cartridge there is no longer a need for licensing, it is for all to use and enjoy.

The licensing served to keep the cartridge from being bastardized and never coming to a full acceptance and being standardized.

To me it was always the right choice, .308win almost went down the drain due to eleven different chambers IIRC.

[LRRPF52]

Roger that. Bill Alexander did the right thing by keeping tight controls on the Grendel chamber so it wouldn't evolve into a gazillion different dimensions by everyone and their brother trying to capitalize on the popularity of a great cartridge. The naysayers have basically marginalized the Grendel in their minds, yet popularity continues to grow based on the merits of the capabilities shooters can enjoy in the AR15 platform, especially for hunting and exceptional accuracy out of a lightweight auto-loader.

[sneaky one]

Well said LLRP... THE GRENDEL BEAST IS FINALLY LOOSE FROM IT'S CONFINES !!!!!! Look out for bullet developments. The train is in ultra push- turbo-deisel mode boys and girls. I torture my bud at federal all the time,,, when,,, when,,, = we'll maybe see it someday, is all I hear, maybe that could change sometime soon.? Anyway, awesome news, Hey better than no news. YES!!!!

[Mutt]

So here comes the big question. Since the Grendel is now SAAMI ...... does that make the LBC and others wildcat chambers?? Since, anything in the AR 6.5 mm platform will need to be a Grendel to be accepted right??

[warped]

so here comes the big question. Since the grendel is now saami ...... Does that make the lbc and others wildcat chambers?? Since, anything in the ar 6.5 mm platform will need to be a grendel to be accepted right??

affirmative! well if it shares the same case it does, of course someone can spend a few hundred thousand dollars and see what it gets them.

Oh and they need sponsorship of the big 3 or more.

[Mutt]

That's too damn funny. Kind of like karma ....... LOL

[stanc]

affirmative! well if it shares the same case it does, of course someone can spend a few hundred thousand dollars and see what it gets them.

Oh and they need sponsorship of the big 3 or more.

Why would they need sponsorship from the big 3 writers meeting in Kansas?

[BluntForceTrauma]

Stan, two different, albeit confusing, uses of the term. Warped's "Big Three" refers to the ammo mfrs Remington, Winchester, and Federal.

Fortier's "big three" refers to his writer's event for "tactical guns, tactical gear and tactical training."

John

[stanc]

Thanks, John. Does that mean 6.5 Grendel was sponsored by Remington, Winchester, and Federal?

[Mutt]

I think it means that to get another (other than Grendel) round SAAMI certified .....they would need to spend hundreds of thousands on it and it would need to be sponsored by one of the top 3 (to get it certified). That's how I read it anyway.


So, if another manufacturer wants to make a grendel-like barrel or ammo and decided that they want to change the throat angle or something ...... then that product would not meet the SAAMI specifications for that SAAMI approved chamber/ammo. So, that mean that other makers will now have to change thier specs to meet what was submitted to SAAMI for thier product to be considered certified safe?? Or, is my line of thinking off??

[steel89]

Well guys, it's not like we have been swearing there's a 'Bigfoot' walking in the woods. We have been walking with the Grendel in hand and know how damn good it is. It seems that the myth has come to life. Historic moments may not all come with fanfare and parades, but they are usually catalysts for rapid change. The 'Gren' is real and we know it's value. Thanks Bill A. We (your Forum supporters) all look forward to the future of your creation and hope you will go down as another Browning, Colt, or Remington in the "Significant Firearms" books.

[Jaywalker]

Some questions -
- Previously, was Alexander Arms charging licensing fees as well as controlling the chamber dimensions?
- If so, I presume this means there are no more such fees, true?
- If that's the case, then I would expect prices would drop, true?
- and AA will have to compete straight up with other makers, true?

[bwaites]

Never charged a licensing fee.

AA always competed straight up, from the early days there were multiple builders, including Sabre, Les Baer, J&T, and many others who agreed to the licensing stipulations regarding proper chamber dimensions.

[txgunner00]

I wonder if Satern Machine will start making Grendel barrels again?

I certainly hope so!