65 Receiver Set with Polymer mags from PF (HOPEFULLY)

[bwaites]

I didn't start this thread looking for those who would admittedly bash a new idea because they simply don't like it.

If you have legitimate concerns they're WELCOMED here. Please list them in bullet form preferably and let's discuss if we can design around it or not. "I don't think this is a good idea," is not a legitimate concern but a biased opinion that helps nothing. We NEED your thought out why.

Right now is not the time to discuss whether or not the costs are worth it, we're not even close to a prototype. This brainstorming is free (well maybe it costs Hanka something).

Let's debate what the optimal AR based platform is for the Grendel in terms of dimensions. THEN we should talk cost of what we've come up with and see if we can compromise to bring down the cost. THEN is the time to discuss the commercial viability of the notional platform, when it approaches the prototype maturity phase.

Ridiculous hyperbole does nothing to help anything.

It seems some are concerned that a new platform would cause a ridiculous notion that the Grendel would be perceived as a round that needs a specific platform for the shooter to take advantage the round. I do see where you're coming from, because there are a lot of ridiculous notions that narrow down the applicability of the Grendel in the heads of some shooters (as has been seen somewhat in this thread. I don't mean that as an attack, the fact is what it is).

However, I've seen no example of this with the LWRC 68 platform. If anyone can find a specific example please post it. Otherwise, lets put this notion to rest please.

Interesting. If I say that I see problems with an idea and believe it will fracture a somewhat fragile market and cause confusion you tell me it's my opinion and don't slam your idea. But if your opinion is different than mine you are free to continue the discussion because, well, my opinion is ridiculous.

I gave you multiple legitimate concerns:

1) Minimal performance advantage with a new design, you simply don't have powder space to significantly increase performance.
2) Cost. No government contract to support cost of development of a new mag. The Saudis paid huge money to support that development, and the Six8 receiver sets and mags are still about twice the AR price. (At LWRC the mags are 3 times the normal PMag price.)
3) Even with Hornadys support of ammunition (and now cheap Wolf steel case) no major manufacturer has stepped up and started building the Grendel.
4) Installed customer AR base gains no backwards compatibility.


Cory, you haven't been around long enough to remember this, but we debated the optimal platform for the mid cartridges about 8 years ago during the great 6.5 vs 6.8 debate. We all recognized that you could build a whole new rifle and maximize each cartridge, but that doing so would cost a ton of money and gain you well under 10 % in performance. The point of diminishing returns was reached using the AR15 platform.

How many 6.8 rifles are out there? How many Grendels? I've never seen a 6.8 at our range, but I know a couple owners. I've seen 3 Grendels besides mine. I haven't heard of a single Six 8 sale in my state. I can't find a mention on the local or state boards, though I obviously can't know about all the sales, I don't see them in stores.

I'm all for innovation. I just see no REAL advantage to be gained except the use of PMags. Of course that's just my OPINION, and I'm sure it's ridiculous!