06-14-2014, 05:49 PM
Lilja has the correct reamer now, and is taking care of those who aren't happy.
I personally believe that the wrong reamer was deliberately sent to Lilja to cause harm, based on a number of facts. Throughout the process, Lilja hasn't blamed anyone else, and is doing their part to make sure it is corrected.
I have sent one of my barrels to be short chambered, which is a royal pain with the AR15 since the gas part is already cut, and the extension needs to be removed, breech cut short enough for the new reamer, chamber reamed with the correct reamer, extension torqued and timed correctly again with the gas port/Top Dead Center.
For those ordering now, there is no issue, and Lilja has the correct reamer with compound throat and .300" neck. I have received some barrels off the current production, and they have the compound throat.
If anyone is going to a barrel maker and asking for a SAAMI Grendel reamer to be used, get certifications in writing. Manson reamers are good to go if you ask for SAAMI Grendel. The SAAMI Grendel reamer design is based off of $11,000 in test reamers before settling on the final Grendel specifications.
Some reamer makers don't like cutting that reamer for whatever reasons, and will try to sell you something else entirely, calling it the same. It isn't only a problem with the Grendel either, but every other common caliber, and the 6.8 SPC. You ask for x, and get z, which is what was even done to Remington when they ordered the reamers for the SAAMI submission, a huge deal that had lasting repercussions for the market, since it was unsafe.
I recently heard similar complaints about .308 reamers from several sources across the country, on separate occasions. In every instance, an excessively long throat was the culprit, in rifles that were tasked with being very accurate for competition shooters and high end rifle builders. Lots of jump to the lands means the projectile has an opportunity to get off axis, and will exit the muzzle like a bad football throw, and will not group well at all.
The same party's name came up every time in all of these discussions, and it was the reamer maker, to include the botched/unsafe 6.8 SAAMI reamers with 80 degree neck-to-freebore angle and crazy long throat .308 reamers. A former forum member claimed to have the ear of this source, and bragged earlier in the year about the Lilja group buy getting a chamber they didn't ask for. I think that tells you what is going on.
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?...1&t=636979
Here's another gem from the guy who claims to get his info directly from the reamer maker:
Anyone suggesting using a Lapua throat in the Grendel is an utter retard, way outside of their competency. Then to openly incriminate yourself with fraud online and brag about it like you're a cool guy? Explain that to a judge and prosecutor.
I personally believe that the wrong reamer was deliberately sent to Lilja to cause harm, based on a number of facts. Throughout the process, Lilja hasn't blamed anyone else, and is doing their part to make sure it is corrected.
I have sent one of my barrels to be short chambered, which is a royal pain with the AR15 since the gas part is already cut, and the extension needs to be removed, breech cut short enough for the new reamer, chamber reamed with the correct reamer, extension torqued and timed correctly again with the gas port/Top Dead Center.
For those ordering now, there is no issue, and Lilja has the correct reamer with compound throat and .300" neck. I have received some barrels off the current production, and they have the compound throat.
If anyone is going to a barrel maker and asking for a SAAMI Grendel reamer to be used, get certifications in writing. Manson reamers are good to go if you ask for SAAMI Grendel. The SAAMI Grendel reamer design is based off of $11,000 in test reamers before settling on the final Grendel specifications.
Some reamer makers don't like cutting that reamer for whatever reasons, and will try to sell you something else entirely, calling it the same. It isn't only a problem with the Grendel either, but every other common caliber, and the 6.8 SPC. You ask for x, and get z, which is what was even done to Remington when they ordered the reamers for the SAAMI submission, a huge deal that had lasting repercussions for the market, since it was unsafe.
I recently heard similar complaints about .308 reamers from several sources across the country, on separate occasions. In every instance, an excessively long throat was the culprit, in rifles that were tasked with being very accurate for competition shooters and high end rifle builders. Lots of jump to the lands means the projectile has an opportunity to get off axis, and will exit the muzzle like a bad football throw, and will not group well at all.
The same party's name came up every time in all of these discussions, and it was the reamer maker, to include the botched/unsafe 6.8 SAAMI reamers with 80 degree neck-to-freebore angle and crazy long throat .308 reamers. A former forum member claimed to have the ear of this source, and bragged earlier in the year about the Lilja group buy getting a chamber they didn't ask for. I think that tells you what is going on.
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?...1&t=636979
Here's another gem from the guy who claims to get his info directly from the reamer maker:
Quote:For years barrel manufactures have been silently dropping the Alexander Arms compound throat and moving to the Lapua throat. Many on the Grendel forum are already using the Grendel II without even knowing it because they are sold as 6.5 Grendels by multiple manufactures. You know that recent Lilja barrel buy on the 65grendel forum? Nice barrels guess what they are using the 6.5mmX47 throat. Not just them either.
Anyone suggesting using a Lapua throat in the Grendel is an utter retard, way outside of their competency. Then to openly incriminate yourself with fraud online and brag about it like you're a cool guy? Explain that to a judge and prosecutor.