07-02-2013, 05:19 PM
There are multiple good points here:
1) We all see the problem with fractionated conservative values. There are significant differences between what SOME libertarians propound and what I believe. Staying just with 2nd Amendment issues, there is a wide variety of beliefs among conservatives. For instance, some conservatives see no issue with universal background checks, while I have major issues with it, others are ambivalent.
2) What LR1955 is trying to get at is that we know those problems exist, what are we going to do about it? Without proposing a solution to the problem, pointing it out is useless.
I agree that pointing fingers at the various different "conservative" groups is also useless, but we really need those groups to step up and develop a coherent policy, and I think LR1955 is pointing out that the libertarians have done a terrible job of that.
For instance, what is the actual libertarian viewpoint on the 2nd Amendment? Can you find a single, nationwide agreed upon stance? I can't. Some say we need more background checks, others say we shouldn't have ANY checks, etc.
Conservatives need to come together and develop a coherent policy plan, but I'm not sure that conservatives and libertarians can actually co-exist to do that.
1) We all see the problem with fractionated conservative values. There are significant differences between what SOME libertarians propound and what I believe. Staying just with 2nd Amendment issues, there is a wide variety of beliefs among conservatives. For instance, some conservatives see no issue with universal background checks, while I have major issues with it, others are ambivalent.
2) What LR1955 is trying to get at is that we know those problems exist, what are we going to do about it? Without proposing a solution to the problem, pointing it out is useless.
I agree that pointing fingers at the various different "conservative" groups is also useless, but we really need those groups to step up and develop a coherent policy, and I think LR1955 is pointing out that the libertarians have done a terrible job of that.
For instance, what is the actual libertarian viewpoint on the 2nd Amendment? Can you find a single, nationwide agreed upon stance? I can't. Some say we need more background checks, others say we shouldn't have ANY checks, etc.
Conservatives need to come together and develop a coherent policy plan, but I'm not sure that conservatives and libertarians can actually co-exist to do that.
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt