04-24-2013, 05:17 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-24-2013, 05:20 AM by TheOTHERmaninblack.)
bwaites Wrote:US, and depending on the foreign country, citizenship there as well. My brother was born in Iceland, has a US passport as a US citizen, but Iceland recognizes him as Icelandic by birth, and won't issue a visa, because they recognize him as a citizen.
However, if he were to apply as a foreigner to a US school, and accept aid as a foreigner, his US citizenship could be revoked and then the question of citizenship becomes real.
I actually looked this up at one point early in the debate. A child born (according to the State Department website) of one US citizen and one foreign national, born outside the borders of the US is NOT AUTOMATICALLY a US citizen. The parent holding US citizenship is required to present the child and any birth records to the nearest US consulate at the earliest possible time and declare a desire for the child to be a US citizen. Barring this presentation, at least so far as State would have you believe, the child holds either the foreign national parent's or the country of birth's citizenship.
With all of the shenanigans going on, I suspect that li'l Barry might well have been born overseas, and, rather than presenting him to a consulate (for whatever reason) mommy reddest hopped a plane to Hawaii and presented him to the hospital for a proof of live birth certificate, which was fairly common back then, as there were still many home births, particularly in the hinterlands.
Do I think he's a citizen? Of course, though I also think that his birth, like almost his entire life, was colored by rule skirting, purposeful misdirection, and not a little outright cheating.
Hell, I have a friend who was born in a jail in North Dakota where his parents had gotten stranded trying to make their way to the hospital in a raging blizzard. He has a bail ticket rather than a birth certificate, though he also has a certificate of live birth from when they finally got him to the hospital. Sadly, the bail ticket seems to have colored his life far more than the hospital form.