01-29-2013, 01:08 PM
JASmith Wrote:LR1955,
Nukes makes a good point.
Also, we could not expect there to be a classified, let alone public, written policy on an aleged political litmus test, particularly when the test touches on the edges of constitutionally permitted behavior in advance of an event.
I've seen similar discussions in other venues and have seen the interview. Folks who feel that Mr. Obama is the greatest president ever will likely hold a different point of view on this question.
I am reasonably sure that it really doesn't matter as long as the officers and the troops are convinced that the targets are armed and actively resisting lawful authority. By the way, "armed" is a very flexible term. For example, police in California are authorized and have shot citizens who are armed only with an automobile. Same for baseball bats, etc.
Nonetheless, the speculation should give us all pause for serious thinking regardless of whether one is convinced the speculation is pure hogwash, the absolute gospel, or something in between.
JA:
Nukes first stated it concerned all Officers, not just GO's. And, you are assuming there is some sort of political litmus test for a 0-6 to be promoted to BG. If there is, the guys who have been promoted don't think so. All of the GO's I have met have no idea why they were promoted. Finally, why would you think that a litmus test would be focused on whether or not a GO will break his oath to the Constitution?
Do you think a Brigade Commander will follow an order to cordon off and search an otherwise peaceful American community and order his men to shoot anyone who resists?
Lets say a Company Commander orders his Company to fire on American citizens inside the USA. What makes you think his PL's and Squad Leaders will follow his orders? Are you assuming that NCO's are dumb asses who blindly obey orders? How about the Joe's?
How many National Guardsmen will shoot citizens from their own community if those citizens refuse to 'turn over' their AR-15's? I would say half the National Guard owns service rifles and high cap pistols. And they are more loyal to their own neighbors than they are to Obama.
How big is LA? What is the nearest Combat Arms unit to LA? How many divisions will it take to cordon off and search LA?
Finally -- how many leftists would tolerate a uniformed service member searching his house? The ones more prone to Molotov Cocktails are the leftists and you better believe they will be the first ones into the streets openly defying martial law.
What is the process necessary to Federalize the Guard and how many Governors would allow their Guard to search and use deadly force against their citizens? How many Governors would allow the Regulars free reign to search and kill their own citizens? If you think any would, please state who they are, what state, and what evidence you have to support such thinking.
How many LEA's would allow the Guard or Regulars to enter and enforce civil law in their jurisdictions? Do you honestly think the State Police of any state would allow the Regulars to shoot citizens if they didn't hand over their AR-15's? Not to mention more local police forces.
These are things you find conspiracy nut jobs don't even consider. Particularly the ones who have never served in the armed forces or LEA.
LR1955