01-19-2024, 09:58 PM
DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a lawyer (IANAL) and I do not offer legal advice. You must take responsibility for your own firearms.
The NFA and SBRs is a long-misunderstood law, which morphed into the GCA in 1968. I am not even allowed to own NFA items in California, pity the residents.
California has long held 2 step reasoning against the residents, this holds true for both safety and environment.
LRRPF52's full post is a pretty good explanation, but I wanted to lay this out with some pics so we can see and hopefully understand the law. And by all means,
let's have a discussion on this as it affects more people that just me.
This is a Grendel pistol. It has a 12" barrel, cheek weld on buffer tube and in this case a pistol grip and muzzle brake.
This is a legal configuration in California as long as you do not shoulder the weapon. This law is most likely about to
change, but it hasn't happened yet. This could be considered an SBR, such as the ATF, but according to their laws it
does not. This was NOT intended to shoulder. I shoot it off a bipod/tripod and cheek weld.
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These are AR firearms, the top is a 12" barrel pistol, very similar as the Grendel above, and the bottom is an AR rifle
in with a non-adjustable rear stock, but has a 16" barrel.
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And this is a 300 blackout pistol with a 7.5" barrel and a cheek weld.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]20210[/ATTACH]
The way I categorize this is that,
1) I want to respect my family or others in my house.
2) I want to be safe and certainly respectful towards my neighbors should I need to fire.
3) I want to use the best tool for the job at hand.
This starts to narrow down my firearms. I should be clear that I don't like the 5.56, it just doesn't have enough powder to blow its own nose.
It is however fatal in many situations and would be at point blank, just that 300 blackout would fit into the same action and can shoot subsonic.
If we take noise out of the equation entirely, 300 blackout in subsonic is one of the best for home defense. The reason is that an AR pistol is
much more manageable in a home situation. Subsonic rounds give the best odds of a projectile not being able to penetrate a wall, where a
supersonic round can easily blow through walls and 2x4s.
Here are 2 AR firearms configured differently.
The top one has a 16" barrel, featureless stock, and should be considered a typical rifle.
Seen below is a featureless rifle on top and a non-pistol grip on the bottom.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]20208[/ATTACH]
Once again, IANAL, and offer no legal advice here. I happen to use all of these firearms to hunt with.
KW
LRRPF52 Wrote:A funny thing about SBRs in the NFA
FLshooter Wrote:Id also like alternatives to getting an SBR permit
The NFA and SBRs is a long-misunderstood law, which morphed into the GCA in 1968. I am not even allowed to own NFA items in California, pity the residents.
California has long held 2 step reasoning against the residents, this holds true for both safety and environment.
LRRPF52's full post is a pretty good explanation, but I wanted to lay this out with some pics so we can see and hopefully understand the law. And by all means,
let's have a discussion on this as it affects more people that just me.
This is a Grendel pistol. It has a 12" barrel, cheek weld on buffer tube and in this case a pistol grip and muzzle brake.
This is a legal configuration in California as long as you do not shoulder the weapon. This law is most likely about to
change, but it hasn't happened yet. This could be considered an SBR, such as the ATF, but according to their laws it
does not. This was NOT intended to shoulder. I shoot it off a bipod/tripod and cheek weld.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]20207[/ATTACH]
These are AR firearms, the top is a 12" barrel pistol, very similar as the Grendel above, and the bottom is an AR rifle
in with a non-adjustable rear stock, but has a 16" barrel.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]20209[/ATTACH]
And this is a 300 blackout pistol with a 7.5" barrel and a cheek weld.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]20210[/ATTACH]
michael18 Wrote:I have a question for anyone is it legal to have 5.56 for home defenseAbsolutely. However, you must realize the consequences of doing so, you're basically firing projectiles through a home that are going close to 3x the speed of a handgun/subsonic round.
The way I categorize this is that,
1) I want to respect my family or others in my house.
2) I want to be safe and certainly respectful towards my neighbors should I need to fire.
3) I want to use the best tool for the job at hand.
This starts to narrow down my firearms. I should be clear that I don't like the 5.56, it just doesn't have enough powder to blow its own nose.
It is however fatal in many situations and would be at point blank, just that 300 blackout would fit into the same action and can shoot subsonic.
If we take noise out of the equation entirely, 300 blackout in subsonic is one of the best for home defense. The reason is that an AR pistol is
much more manageable in a home situation. Subsonic rounds give the best odds of a projectile not being able to penetrate a wall, where a
supersonic round can easily blow through walls and 2x4s.
Here are 2 AR firearms configured differently.
The top one has a 16" barrel, featureless stock, and should be considered a typical rifle.
Seen below is a featureless rifle on top and a non-pistol grip on the bottom.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]20208[/ATTACH]
Once again, IANAL, and offer no legal advice here. I happen to use all of these firearms to hunt with.
KW
From my cold dead endmill...